Colossus vs Ares

Started by carver920 pages
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Umm....Piotr amends those comments to maybe Hulk wasn't hurt that bad.

Lol... he was hurt, badly. Before the blast Hulk dropped Colossus with one punch.

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Then Hulk gets attacked and as shown he is screaming in pain. He was hurt. Colossus knows that he was hurt. Theres no getting around this. A fully powered Hulk one shot koed Colossus but after being attacked by Lockheed, Colossus gained an advantage. Here is the scene before the fire to prove Colossis got one shot koed...

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Colossus even admits (before Hulk was damaged by the fire dragon) that Hulk was shrugging off his hits. Let's use some common sense here.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... he was hurt, badly. Before the blast Hulk dropped Colossus with one punch but I see you left that scan out.

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Then Hulk gets attacked and as shown he is screaming in pain. He was hurt. Colossus knows that he was hurt. Theres no getting around this. A fully powered Hulk one shot koed Colossus but after being attacked by Lockheed, Colossus gained an advantage. Here is the scene before the fire to prove Colossis got one shot koed...

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Colossus even admits (before Hulk was damaged by the fire dragon) that Hulk was shrugging off his hits. Let's use some common sense here.

Colossus took more than one punch.

Secondly Hulk may have been hurt, but it wasn't as bad as Colossus thought because of Hulks fast reaction.

Either way you cut it carver and I know you're a Hulk nuthugger but are you assuming Hulk has to be 100% to beat Colossus? That don't really help your case either way. Colossus KO'd the Hulk at the end of the day.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus took more than one punch.

Secondly Hulk may have been hurt, but it wasn't as bad as Colossus thought because of Hulks fast reaction.

Either way you cut it carver and I know you're a Hulk nuthugger but are you assuming Hulk has to be 100% to beat Colossus? That don't really help your case either way. Colossus KO'd the Hulk at the end of the day.

I didnt see the punch slap, he two shotted him, is that better?

He said AS BAD which means that he is still hurt but not as bad. At the end of the day, Hulk was damaged. EXTREMELY damaged. I posted a scan of him screaming out in pain. It can not get any clearer than this. Are you so desperate for fts that you'll use evidence of this magnitude for Colossus. Come on Juggy.

As to your question, it depends. Hulk was pretty freaking disoriented and damaged during that scene. Hurt... couldnt even run far after getting damaged. If you're proud of Colossus hurting a weakened Hulk then like I've said before, your desperation is strong.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Let me post some of Colossus' higher feats.

Colossus has:

Knocked out the Hulk.
Did very well vs Gladitor in a slugfest.
Fought even against Red Hulk(their punches were shaking the San Andreas Fault).
Fought and held his own against Juggernaut and actually beating him twice.
Was getting the better of classic Sasquatch before the fight was stopped.

thank you for presenting some good feats. If I may, I like to respond to each of them:

1. He hasn't looked even remotely as good as he did in that showing. This isn't me down playing him, he just genuinely hasn't been that impressive since then.

2. One of Gladiators lower level fights, but still a very solid feat for Colossus. 👆

3. When was this, it sounds like a very good showing. On the other hand, an amped Colossus still had a hilariously hard time fighting Rulk underwater so.....

4. What fights are these? I know of their most recent fight, but Piotr won by using bfr. Either way, very good feats of true. 👆

5. I do remember this. Good feat, even if it is quite old.

So here's the way I see it.

1. Beating the hulk is impressive and though you may not have been the one to say it (I don't care enough to look through twelve pages of comments), Ares has "lost" to the hulk before. The first time can easily be chalked up to surprise since Ares though the hulk was just some other giant and the second time was against WWH (who was much stronger than the version that Colossus fought). Meanwhile, Ares has a solid win against Iron Fist. The same Iron Fist that put Colossus on his @$$ and who stalemated him later IIRC.

2. The showing against Gladiator is as impressive as the fight that Ares had against Sentry since that version of Sentry would eat the faces of most heralds.

3. Doing well against Rulk is less impressive than doing well against an amped Maestro.

4. Fighting evenly against Juggernaut is less impressive than casually knocking out Wonder Man and later fighting and getting the upper hand against Hercules.

5. No way around it, beating on Shaman is way more impressive than fighting Sasquatch.

Your question doesnt even make sense anyways. Your goal here is to show Colossus fighting and hurting upper tier beings, the Hulk fight doesnt prove that since he couldnt hurt Hulk before Hulk got damaged. Hulk was shrugging his hits off like they were nothing.

So many errors....sigh.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Riiiiiight...

That's why Lester stalemated him in h2h 🙂

Like Venom stalemated Colossus 🙂

I mean, they literally set Venom on fire. And Colossus can't take him down, lol.

Colossus is out of the entire fight. One of their strongest members. The X-men, their home, burning around them, being invaded by a group of literal villains.
Colossus, unable to help out. Because he is busy. With Venom, lol. In....h2h.

The same Venom, as you pointed out, gets stalemated by Lester in h2h. 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ares wasn't beaten by Venom, Morgana turned him into stone.

👆

I mean, Stilt posts that for...what? What does it show? That he can be surprised by his team-mate attacking him? Woop-de-do, lol. It's not as if Venom is stalemating him for the entire issue, lol. Stilt, have you got the rest of the issue? What happened after Venom bit him? Was he taken out of the fight? Please, we are all on tenterhooks here!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tell us again how turning Maestro's head a little is a good feat.

Ares is that featless, I know, but c'mon.

Amped Maestro. But somehow, this time, you seem to ignore little details like that. Tell us how when the big guns arrive:

Where Colossus is?

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt see the punch slap, he two shotted him, is that better?

He said AS BAD which means that he is still hurt but not as bad. At the end of the day, Hulk was damaged. EXTREMELY damaged. I posted a scan of him screaming out in pain. It can not get any clearer than this. Are you so desperate for fts that you'll use evidence of this magnitude for Colossus. Come on Juggy.

As to your question, it depends. Hulk was pretty freaking disoriented and damaged during that scene. Hurt... couldnt even run far after getting damaged. If you're proud of Colossus hurting a weakened Hulk then like I've said before, your desperation is strong.

Colossus was holding back in the first fight as he says the harder and harder he hits Hulk he don't seem to notice indicating Colossus wasn't hitting as hard as he could. Until the rematch.

Yes Hulk may or may not have been weakened but a character with unlimited strength from anger shouldn't have this issue. I mean he didn't look weak when the fight started again and Colossus even metions this before he knocks the Hulk unconcious.

And IF Hulk was weakened it's still a good feat because it's the FREAKING HULK!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it was a weaker Colossus as well.

Don't really look like fire is effecting Venom, he even says it's pissing him off.

Colossus left Venom lying face down in a puddle of his own blood in their other fight.

Do NOT turn this in to a Hulk thread.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Do NOT turn this in to a Hulk thread.

I'm done talking about it. I proved my case. 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
I'm done talking about it. I proved my case. 🙂

Fight him, GAMMITE!!!

Stand up for yourself!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Fight him, GAMMITE!!!

Stand up for yourself!

😂 ... his rank has increased. I cant argue with that. KRYPTMITE!!!

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Don't really look like fire is effecting Venom, he even says it's pissing him off.

Colossus left Venom lying face down in a puddle of his own blood in their other fight.

Unfinished business. So not even a victory according to Colossus, lol.

And yes, Venom is pissed off by the fire. My point being, Stilt posts that showing with Morgana as if it means something.

When all it is, is Venom surprising his team mate by chomping on him. Doesn't mean anything - the next time we see Ares, he's fighting well and dandy.

OTOH, when Venom comes a-knockin' on Utopia, it takes Colossus out for the entire fight (even with one of his historical weaknesses), and Scott has to call Moonstar in to make a deal with the literal Goddess of Death to deal with Ares.

Venom, who, as Stilt so HELPFULLY pointed out, gets stalemated in h2h by.....Bullseye, lol. And stalemates Colossus in....wait, you guessed it, h2h, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm done talking about it. I proved my case. 🙂

You proved you can't read, carver.

You're going to pretend now that Ares faced a "fresh" Hulk, yes? Nail yourself to a cross and set it on fire.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unfinished business. So not even a victory according to Colossus, lol.

And yes, Venom is pissed off by the fire. My point being, Stilt posts that showing with Morgana as if it means something.

When all it is, is Venom surprising his team mate by chomping on him. Doesn't mean anything - the next time we see Ares, he's fighting well and dandy.

OTOH, when Venom comes a-knockin' on Utopia, it takes Colossus out for the entire fight (even with one of his historical weaknesses), and Scott has to call Moonstar in to make a deal with the literal Goddess of Death to deal with Ares.

Venom, who, as Stilt so HELPFULLY pointed out, gets stalemated in h2h by.....Bullseye, lol. And stalemates Colossus in....wait, you guessed it, h2h, lol.

Either way the 2nd fight was inconclusive, the first one was not. It actually looks like Colossus is getting ready to rip his jaws apart because Venom couldn't finish his sentence.

So Colossus has a win over Venom.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Either way the 2nd fight was inconclusive, the first one was not. It actually looks like Colossus is getting ready to rip his jaws apart because Venom couldn't finish his sentence.

So Colossus has a win over Venom.

So what was Colossus referring to when he said they had unfinished business? 🙂

And still not my point.

My point is that he stalemated Colossus when the X-men needed him. And the X-men needed someone else to deal with Ares.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So what was Colossus referring to when he said they had unfinished business? 🙂

And still not my point.

My point is that he stalemated Colossus when the X-men needed him. And the X-men needed someone else to deal with Ares.

He didn't finish him off. He hitched a ride with Iceman to the real fight iirc.

Originally posted by carver9
😂 ... his rank has increased. I cant argue with that. KRYPTMITE!!!

COWARD!!!

GAMMITES, IS THIS YOUR LEADER?!!!

Gets owned later again. Even Black Widow proved to be more useful there.

Is fine after taking a cheapshot.

I guess Hulks are Ares' kryptonite biscuits

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He didn't finish him off. He hitched a ride with Iceman to the real fight iirc.

Still not my point....

I'll try and say this slowly.

On Utopia, when the Dark Avengers attacked (with me so far?)......

...Colossus was stalemated (i.e., he didn't lose, but neither did he win).....

...in h2h combat...

...by Venom....

...the same Venom, as Stilt clearly pointed out......

...who was stalemated by Bullseye in...yup, h2h combat 😂....

Of course, when I brought this up, his rebuttal is to show Venom....surprising his team mate with a chomp, that does....what, exactly? Stilt, you seem quite quiet, care to post what Venom did to Ares with that attack you are so fond of posting? 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Gets owned later again. Even Black Widow proved to be more useful there.

Is fine after taking a cheapshot.

I guess Hulks are Ares' kryptonite biscuits

Wow. Great showing for Colossus there. Is that the version in this thread? 🙂

Still waiting for what your point of Venom and Ares was, btw. You seem strangely quiet for someone who loves to call others out.....