Colossus vs Ares

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Iirc it was stated that sentry/void needed to use a lot of energy to tear Ares in half.

Enough energy that it left him drained enough to eventually lose in the Siege arc.

I don't imagine Sentry ripping Colossus in half would require that much effort.

It was in a What if, Cosmic.

Sure, each What if begins its tale by describing the 616 events first and then going into the alternate reality scenario... but it's still questionable, especially when discussing (and overanalyzing) it on battleboards like ours.

From Forum Rules:

With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

It's been done to death, one side shows the Bendis interview, other side shows that dumb What if and we still have no mod ruling on the matter.

PS. Ares is not even fully bulletproof.

Neither is Little Jimmy but He can beat Clodussus with ease.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There IS this feat, where Sentry, WM and Carol Marvel couldn't hold him

He was quite promising in the first Mighty Avengers issues, yes.

Remember Tony recruiting him?

1. https://abload.de/img/10zrcr.jpg
2. https://abload.de/img/2o3ocs.jpg
3. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/1753404-the_mighty_avengers_01__028.jpg

Ares is WAAAAY stronger than Colossus. He's near Herc level.

Lol, Cyclops made a deal with Hela, for Valkyrie to be empowered, so they could stop Ares. No other X-men had a chance. He said all this, as Colossus was standing to his left.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was in a What if, Cosmic.

Sure, each What if begins its tale by describing the 616 events first and then going into the alternate reality scenario... but it's still questionable, especially when discussing (and overanalyzing) it on battleboards like ours.

From Forum Rules:

With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

It's been done to death, one side shows the Bendis interview, other side shows that dumb What if and we still have no mod ruling on the matter.

PS. Ares is not even fully bulletproof.

Yeah, I know it was a what if, but as you said it didn't even get to the what if part there. It just described how he lost in canon.

What exactly did Bendis say anyway?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Immortal Hulk level.

Trans!

Except Sentry is omniversal 👆

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ares is WAAAAY stronger than Colossus. He's near Herc level.

Lol, Cyclops made a deal with Hela, for Valkyrie to be empowered, so they could stop Ares. No other X-men had a chance. He said all this, as Colossus was standing to his left.

Suuuuure...

He needed super gauntlets just to reach Herc's level 😛

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yeah, I know it was a what if, but as you said it didn't even get to the what if part there. It just described how he lost in canon.

What exactly did Bendis say anyway?

That Reynolds wanted to lose, that's what made it possible for the heroes to beat him.

Allowing What ifs would make one big mess here. Did you know that Wolverine held back because his orders were to capture the Hulk...? 😖hifty:

That can still work with the opening statement in the what if.

Sentry wanted to lose so he went overkill on Ares, using way more energy to kill him than he needed to. He could have tentacled thru Ares' skull but opted to tear him in half. 😛

What if usage should be a case by case basis anyway. Not a blanket all or nothing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What if usage should be a case by case basis anyway.

Exactly what I was saying. That's why a mod ruling would be nice.

We know that Ares' durability is shit, though. It seems more that the effort of killing a "god" - overpowering his immortality gimmick - can be exhausting. That's why Mjolnir cracked vs. Bor. Of course, barely any writer sees it that way.

Colossus just needs to KTFO Ares here.

Ares just has that stupid nonsensical 'piercing durability' weakness that a lot of bricks are given since writers don't know shit.

He may be pierced by a bullet but he would be totally fine in a building busting explosion (even though shrapnel would be flying everywhere and that would be way worse than a bullet wound).

I just ignore that type of durability oddity for the most part and go by general showings.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Ares just has that stupid nonsensical 'piercing durability' weakness that a lot of bricks are given since writers don't know shit.

He may be pierced by a bullet but he would be totally fine in a building busting explosion (even though shrapnel would be flying everywhere and that would be way worse than a bullet wound).

I just ignore that type of durability oddity for the most part and go by general showings.

Sucks against blunt, too. Hulk destroyed him in what, two panels? Twice.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You need to turn off your inner thorbag, Bran. It's like a cancer, I can see it extending to all Asgardians and even Olympians now.

Ares went to sleep, Colossus didn't. If not for Ares' healing factor, he probably would've stayed in a coma forever.

He's not fully bulletproof, uses ineffective weapons that get cut to pieces by bone claws, his hf is not good enough to be a factor on the battlefield... even with the Pr curse, I can't see him beating Colossus.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bd7d3149078e184623daef4757a2e878-c

Colossus only got slapped with a backfist and hit with a clap that didn't do a while lot besides get the attention of everyone. He wasn't hit enough to say him being awake is a great feat, let alone hit in the same issue where all his rivals were one shotted. What did happen however, is his arms were broken and he laid there like a baby.

No.

He just sucks against Hulk.

Hulk seems to have a soft spot for guys like piotr and ben. He is countless billions of times stronger than both but opts to not kill them with a finger poke.

Iirc Ares even damaged Super God Hercules a little bit in Chaos War. Better than any Colossus feat ever.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Speaking of which

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bd7d3149078e184623daef4757a2e878-c

Colossus only got slapped with a backfist and hit with a clap that didn't do a while lot besides get the attention of everyone. He wasn't hit enough to say him being awake is a great feat, let alone hit in the same issue where all his rivals were one shotted. What did happen however, is his arms were broken and he laid there like a baby.

Nah, he took a punch, too.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No.

He just sucks against Hulk.

Hulk seems to have a soft spot for guys like piotr and ben. He is countless billions of times stronger than both but opts to not kill them with a finger poke.

Iirc Ares even damaged Super God Hercules a little bit in Chaos War. Better than any Colossus feat ever.

And he doesn't suck against... who, exactly?

Herc? He's always prepped for him.

Wonder Man? Sucker shots for comic relief, not a fight.

Ikaris? Got disarmed and humiliated.

Namor? Same.

Maybe Bucky? No, got treated like a z-list villain.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah, he took a punch, too.

Anyway
http://imgur.com/PDLAvVV

http://imgur.com/DL7A7di

And maybe the whole reason this whole Ares hate is going on

http://imgur.com/tBEBUFS

Originally posted by One Big Mob
WOAH!

Yes, very impressive compared to Ares' performances.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Anyway
http://imgur.com/PDLAvVV

http://imgur.com/DL7A7di

Knocking the spit out of Sentry's mouth. Seriously? That's a feat now?

Yes, Zeus got knocked down on his ass. Colossus wouldn't be able to replicate that feat, iyo?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And maybe the whole reason this whole Ares hate is going on

http://imgur.com/tBEBUFS

Not really.

He's an underachiever with little feats under his belt. Bendis' jokes were the best thing about the character, which says a lot.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
WOAH!

Anyway
http://imgur.com/PDLAvVV

http://imgur.com/DL7A7di

And maybe the whole reason this whole Ares hate is going on

http://imgur.com/tBEBUFS

Ah.

The last scan. Escaped my memory. Now it all makes sense.

This is what a z-list villain can do.

Wolverine stalemated him in Avengers/Invaders.

It's cool to hate on characters Pr likes... that's what is really happening here. Ares was never popular on KMC, don't pretend otherwise.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, very impressive compared to Ares' performances.

Knocking the spit out of Sentry's mouth. Seriously? That's a feat now?

Yes, Zeus got knocked down on his ass. Colossus wouldn't be able to replicate that feat, iyo?

Not really.

He's an underachiever with little feats under his belt. Bendis' jokes were the best thing about the character, which says a lot.

Um yeah? Why wouldn't it be? He hurt a raging Sentry. Colossus would have crinkled his arm up against Sentry.
Keep in mind you're downplaying a punch that effected Sentry while uplaying Colossus merely being awake after Hulk took it easy on him.

Would Colossus be able to knock down and rock a Skyfather? No. You speak of very little feats under his belt, but Colossus has no feats near this level with many feats under his belt. What would you be basing this on?
His best feats are fighting an underperforming Gladiator and knocking out Hulk with some almost surprise attacks. Then he has nothing, like nothing that even comes close actually. At least Ares is shown consistently enough to pack a punch.

OK. He still wins though.