Maul and Oppress vs. Obi Wan and Grievous

Started by Darth Thor5 pages

^ Well if we go by Filonis statements then Ventress was confirmed > Grievous.

However going by Legends or Canon id give Sabers to Grievous over Savage. Just dont see Savage having the experience to deal with Grievous skill and speed with multiple blades. Savages only shot would be his monstrous TK Imo.

Agree Maul and Kenobi are roughly equal, but Kenobi always seems to have the edge.

Team two should win. When everyone else deserves respect, and Maul, Kenobi and Grievous are all easily contenders for 120 IQ or even more, no contest, Savage has an IQ of 80 at best.

Don't get me wrong, Savage is not as dumb or Yoda or Sidious, he is still several orders above them mentally, but in this fight he's a weak link and is prone to making himself killed by Kenobi or Grievous.

@Darth Thor
For me, it was Maul who always had the edge, excluding their final fight. During TPM Maul was clearly better. In their first remach Maul had some small advantage over Kenobi. Worth of notion is, that Kenobi was terribly beaten shortly before, but I don't think that Maul was in good shape as well, since it was short after he was restored by Talzin.
Another time they met - I believe it was in "The Sith Hunters", wasn't it? - Maul just Force choked Kenobi, when he charged at him.
Fourth time was on Florrum. Kenobi fought Maul on very equal terms, none could find any kind of advantage, until Savage killed Adi and joined, brothers then overhelmed Kenobi and forcedd him to retreat. Shortly later, he fought them again, was Force choked by Maul, severed Savage arm and was Force pushed by Maul. And he kicked Savage's ass during that fight a lot of times... which actualy prove, that Savage was out of his league and Kenobi did a great work. kenobi was unable to gain an advantage over Maul to the very end of that fight.
They also met on Mandalore, after a crush of Kenobi's ship. Maul just came, and Force choked him. But yeah, Kenobi could be injured or exhausted, while Maul was fresh and had some support.

And Grievous is inconsistent even in Legends. He was unable to stomp minor jedi like Flynn Kybo in "Star Wars: General Grievous"; he was stomped by Dooku in training sesion in CW season 2 and by Mace's Force powers in the same source; he also had a hard time against Ventress in their first fight for CIS' army leadership (she overhelmed him a little bit at the end of fight with combination of her skills and Force, but he defeated her due to his enormous physcial advantage) in a comic that was basing on CW. In LoE Dooku confirms Grievous inferiority to jedi Masters of Shaak Ti or Cin Drallig's caliber, let alone Mace, Obi-Wan or Yoda. But..
Grievous managed to defeat both Asajj and Durge in CW comic, defeated a group of jedi Masters, including Ki-Adi and Skaak Ti, stalemated Mace in LoE, defeated Shaak Ti and other masters in CW 2nd season, and did many many more.
In TCW he's inconsistend as well as we all know. Not sure if it's safe to assume, that he would be Savage superior in sabers, even in Legends.

^ I like the Maul/ Kenobi analysis.

I personally did see them as equals until their final fight in Rebels which was just a disgraceful finale for them.

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I had a very similar thoughts about their final in the past. But now, I changed my mind. It wasn't their skills that was deciding factor in their fight. Both were broken in the past, but Kenobi still had a goal - to sacrifice himself to protect Luke, his hope. It was very jedi-like. Maul was a Sith, when he lost his powers, he lost everything. He lost his family, army, power, he was pursued. After events in the Temple on Malachor he lost even his last hope.
During his fight with Kenobi Maul was just an empty shell and has nothing to fight for. That's why he lost.

^ Thats all fine, but to have it last 3 moves... was just bad, and really anti climactic, and a really crappy ending for Maul, who in hindsight actually had a pretty great ending originally in TPM.

Should have just had Palpatine kill him in The Lawless or in SOD.

This honestly comes down to which version of Grievous. Legends Grievous would be a massive game breaker.

Obi loses here. Maul is gonna turn Grievous into a tin can.

Legends Grievous solos in sabers pretty comfortably. Savage dies in seconds and Grievous proceeds to beat Maul in a semi good fight.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Legends Grievous solos in sabers pretty comfortably. Savage dies in seconds and Grievous proceeds to beat Maul in a semi good fight.

Pass DMB whatever you're smoking, I hear he's running dry on the good stuff.

Originally posted by CactusJoe
Pass DMB whatever you're smoking, I hear he's running dry on the good stuff.

I will do once I get my next batch. Unfortunately I won’t be seeing your sister until tomorrow morning :/

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Legends Grievous solos in sabers pretty comfortably. Savage dies in seconds and Grievous proceeds to beat Maul in a semi good fight.

Grievous doesn't benefit from the plot force power.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
I will do once I get my next batch. Unfortunately I won’t be seeing your sister until tomorrow morning :/
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Grievous doesn't benefit from the plot force power.

I am aware that Grievous dies in an all out fight, but I don’t see how Maul could carry Savage to victory against Grievous in sabers

Op didn't say it's lightsabre combat type.

Freedon please 🙁🙁🙁

How is Legends Grievous superior to Maul in sabers?

Legends Maul has no feats matching ROTS Grievous and is outclassed in speed and strength. Maul’s only possible avenue of victory is technical skill but that is rendered null as he’ll try to beat Grievous offensively, which he can’t do.

Thats some warped logic.

But lets play. Legends Grievous has zero feats matching someone of Mauls caliber. The speed and strength advantages (as per Legends only) are kinda null when both Dooku and Kenobi outclassed him in fencing, and he was stated to not even be a match for Cin Drallig 😬

Originally posted by Darth Thor
he was stated to not even be a match for Cin Drallig 😬
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats some warped logic.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I genuinely have no idea what I’m talking about