Maul and Oppress vs. Obi Wan and Grievous

Started by carthage5 pages

Maul jobs and costs his team the victory

Originally posted by carthage
Maul jobs and costs his team the victory

Lol what? I guess you missed that scene where Maul stomps Savage with ease in TCW. He definitely isn't the weakest.

@CuckedCurry

Doesn't he? Grievous was clearly slower then ROTS Obi-Wan, who was jumping arround him and easily took two of his hands. The same Grievous was inferior (LoE) or far inferior (old CW) to Dooku in terms of speed and techniqe.
He, in fact, stomped a group of Jedi, including two powerful Masters - Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi. The problem is, that they had no idea what they are dealing with and were exhousted, possibly hurt (perhaps even after a massive starship crush).
You had a good example in TCW: Kenobi, exhausted after a small ship crush, was even unable to stom Maul from choking him.

In terms of strenght...what does it gives to Grievous? It was useful against unarmed combat against Kenobi, but in a duel? He wasn't even able to overpower him in saber lock. It wasn't even helpful against physically inferior Dooku.

As Darth Power pointed, Dooku even stated, that jedi like Cin Drallig should be superior to Grievous on neutral ground.
Even Asajj Ventress in a comic that was basing on old CW, was able to overhelm Grievous in pure lightsaber combat at some point.

Originally posted by McP
I genuinely have no idea what I’m talking about.
Originally posted by CuckedCurry
I genuinely have no idea what I’m talking about.

Originally posted by McP

You had a good example in TCW: Kenobi, exhausted after a small ship crush, was even unable to stom Maul from choking him.

I wouldn't call that ship crash small.

Originally posted by CactusJoe
My Lord, I wholeheartedly admit that I have no idea what I’m talking about

Concession accepted 👆

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Concession accepted 👆

Whoever taught you that move wasn't a very good teacher.

I'm pretty sure Quan started that on the entire internet in 07-08

Originally posted by CactusJoe
Whoever taught you that move wasn't a very good teacher.

Must have been the same person that taught you that Maul & Savage > Grievous in sabers

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Must have been the same person that taught you that Maul & Savage > Grievous in sabers

Grievous being better than Maul in sabers is nonsense, even TPM Maul stalemated season 4 Kenobi who was far closer to his prime than any Kenobi Grievous stalemated and that's ignoring Maul's growth as a fighter, Grievous got shit stomped by ROTS Kenobi.

Do you not understand how and why people beat other characters? Grievous was beaten by Kenobi so decisively because is designed to beat Grievous. Mace Windu didn’t insta-stomp Grievous because Grievous has a height and reach advantage and can contend comfortably in the technique area. Putting canon aside (canon adds all kinds of problems), Maul has no showings to show that he could overcome Grievous once Grievous began his onslaught. Dooku can overcome Grievous as well as he can because of a number of factors, few of which Maul is
in possession of.

Shadow Conspiracy Kenobi does not share much parity with his ROTS Kenobi and you have yet to prove to me that Maul’s training of Savage somehow bumps him up to the level of Grievous. Kenobi never stalemated Grievous in Legends which is the only continuity that I’m willing to discuss

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There are some sources that are a parot of both, Canon and Legends. Movies are the best example, but so is TCW. Do not forget, that a great Legend's sources like "Darth Plagueis" are linked to sources like TCW. Is it you, who determine Legends borders? Or is it somewhere confirmed?

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Must have been the same person that taught you that Maul & Savage > Grievous in sabers

Ah Grievous fanboys. Have to pity them.

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Actually, I hate the fact that I have to argue that Savage could be nearly as strong, as strong or even stronger then Grievous. God, I hate Opress, Ahsoka and many other Filoni's characters.

Maul is quite different story.

This is getting out of hand—now there are two of them! 😕

Originally posted by McP
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There are some sources that are a parot of both, Canon and Legends. Movies are the best example, but so is TCW. Do not forget, that a great Legend's sources like "Darth Plagueis" are linked to sources like TCW. Is it you, who determine Legends borders? Or is it somewhere confirmed?

TCW can't fully be Legends though, parts of it can, but wholly it cannot.

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Why?

CuckedCurry
Do you not understand how and why people beat other characters?

CuckedCurry
Grievous was beaten by Kenobi so decisively because is designed to beat Grievous.

What?

CuckedCurry
Mace Windu didn’t insta-stomp Grievous because Grievous has a height and reach advantage and can contend comfortably in the technique area.

Your point being?

CuckedCurry
Putting canon aside (canon adds all kinds of problems),

I'm going to presume that you like to ignore Canon because you feel like it portrays Grievous as weak. Let's see if it's true.

CuckedCurry
Maul has no showings to show that he could overcome Grievous once Grievous began his onslaught.

Which showings does Grievous have to his name that would make him superior to Maul?

CuckedCurry
Dooku can overcome Grievous as well as he can because of a number of factors, few of which Maul is
in possession of.

There's literally zero explanation or reasoning behind this.

CuckedCurry
Shadow Conspiracy Kenobi does not share much parity with his ROTS Kenobi

Grievous lost to Kenobi, so this is relevant how exactly?

CuckedCurry
Kenobi never stalemated Grievous in Legends which is the only continuity that I’m willing to discuss
Me, earlier
I'm going to presume that you like to ignore Canon because you feel like it portrays Grievous as weak. Let's see if it's true.

Who are you, my sweet child?