If there's ever a character that should have BEEN dead it's the sumbitch right here. The Joker is a character that you can't even comfortably write a reason for not killing him. Batman has been making antidotes to joker venom for years so his little contingency plan shouldn't be an issue. Thanks to BWL Batman should more than have a contingency plan in place for that possibility. He's CLEARLY irredeemable and NOBODY is going to trip if ANYBODY puts a bullet in his head. Hell they'll probably throw the person who does it a parade. Does anyone REALLY believe Batman would fundamentally change big he kills the one villain in his gallery that is irredeemably psychotic and has the threat level to turn the whole justice league into mind controlled psychos? Am I the only one who thinks Batman as a character is stagnated by the joker character?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He hates them both.Bentley's perfect idea of a comic book is Kang and Batroc having gay sex, while Devil Dinosaur watches them and desperately tries to jerk off (but can't, since its arms are too tiny).
Gotcha. I never really understood Joker hate, hes no better or worse than any other villain
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Examples?
Originally posted by Bentley
Joker has a great visual design that is simple yet elegant, but he isn't really that interesting of a character. He's pretty much a foil to Batman, an obstacle, his motivations are lazy and shifty, his intelligence is loosely defined and poorly convenient to the plot and his relationship with other characters is mostly basic antagonism. He strives to be the symbol of an idea, but unlike Superman it fails at having room for development. He just is. Think of a Street level Galactus.Magneto and Doctor Doom are more interesting for a number of reasons, both are terribly flawed and entertain complex relationships with their enemies and rivals. The have shades of gray so for the most part you don't want to see them go too far, they set an expectation and it paces their fiction, a story where they appear rapidly becomes part of their overarching plots.
Originally posted by Bentley
At least I'm consistent with my reason to hate these chumps awesrBatman is leaps and bounds a better character than Joker though, he has motivations, his skills are somewhat explained through his extensive training and he has lot's of personal flaws that aren't just explained away by "he's crazy and now he's a different kind of crazy". Also his relationships with other characters also count, Joker makes no sense whenever he interacts with anyone
Originally posted by Bentley
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To me he's an excuse to keep from moving Batman to greater challenges because it's getting harder as the years go on to create a threat for him that's realistically within his weight class. Joker is his most familiar villain thanks to Cesar Romaro, Mark Hamill, jack nicholson and heath ledger's success at playing the character so they keep using him. DC as a whole seems to be scared to pull the trigger on ending played out characters at the end of their legacy. We should be at the point where Batman is wearing some version of a precursor to his Batman beyond costume fighting stronger villains.
Batman is just as one-note as Joker, though. He's only just barely begun to evolve last "dark brooding loner" in the past few years
Batman is a character who COULD evolve and REFUSES to which is honestly even worse. Joker at least has the excuse of madness, Batman just... thinks Justice is more important than anything else.