Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Partly. I think when Cabes said "budge", there was no way to move him physically at that point. Push, pull, lift, etc. The word budge i think was meant comprise of pretty much any form of physically moving him. And budge normally means to move slightly. He couldnt even do that. Good feat i think.. Its just a little wonky cuz Hulk is a flightless brick. But then again he does dumb stuff like this all the time.
Ah cool, I must have imagined you saying it included lifting. Tsk.
But at least we've moved on from anyone agreeing with Carver's initial idiocy.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah cool, I must have imagined you saying it included lifting. Tsk.But at least we've moved on from anyone agreeing with Carver's initial idiocy.
You are making a distinction that budge = push if i understand ure position. He is making the distinction of budge as a lift. Im simply saying both can be true. Cable said budge. My first thought was he couldnt even move him slightly. And the way the book portrayed the situation, they could not budge him in any direction.
Why is budge only a push? If someone tried to lift a boulder in hopes of placing it on another location and cant even move it an inch, is it wrong to say he could not budge it at all? Same goes for push or pull.
Why do u think my first reply to him was this?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
hmmVery reminiscent of this.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11116/111163912/4813125-9376979166-37680.jpg
Im acknowledging that it doesnt make sense logically, but logic falls out the window sometimes with Hulk.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I said they couldnt physically move him. That includes push, pull, lift... So when I initially said Carter being "on the right track", I did not immediately discount his drscription. At that point, they seemed to not be able to move him at all.You are making a distinction that budge = push if i understand ure position. He is making the distinction of budge as a lift. Im simply saying both can be true. Cable said budge. My first thought was he couldnt even move him slightly. And the way the book portrayed the situation, they could not budge him in any direction.
Why is budge only a push? If someone tried to lift a boulder in hopes of placing it on another location and cant even move it an inch, is it wrong to say he could not budge it at all? Same goes for push or pull.Why do u think my first reply to him was this?
Im acknowledging that it doesnt make sense logically, but logic falls out the window sometimes with Hulk.
I'm not making any distinction.
I am saying MAKING the distinction is where Carv is going wrong.
Did he try to lift? Maybe. Maybe not.
But to say yes, he DID, 100000% beyond a shadow of a doubt, 1+1=2, try to lift and failed,is wrong.
Originally posted by carver9
I still believe if he couldn't budge him (move him at all), that still includes lifting. If you can't budge something, then you are not lifting it at all.
If a screw is so tight that I can't budge it, that does not mean I can't lift it.
Saying you can't budge someone/something doesn't mean you can't lift it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not making any distinction.I am saying MAKING the distinction is where Carv is going wrong.
Did he try to lift? Maybe. Maybe not.
But to say yes, he DID, 100000% beyond a shadow of a doubt, 1+1=2, try to lift and failed,is wrong.
I blame ure door analogy. Its still faulty. schmoll
Not really.
Because my main point is that Carver was wrong to claim with 100% certainty that he tried to lift and failed.
Your point is that well budge could include lift. Which is a completely different point.
Unless of course, as you say, we are saying the same thing, that Carv is wrong. In which case, sure 👆
Well, I mean Carver did sometimes not totally wrong. But he would be still wrong in the most parts nevertheless
Originally posted by Galan007
Most times you're wrong... But sometimes you're really wrong.Mxy's Infinite Planet couldn't be more dissimilar from Marvel's Crossroads, lol. If I were a betting man, I'd say that your only agenda here is trying to 'prove' that Hulk can duplicate Superman's feat... Which would be unbelievably stupid of you.
I recommend you just stop now. This will only end with you looking even worse than you already tend to. 👆
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So basically we're saying the same thing, but coming from diff directions.
hmmI blame ure door analogy. Its still faulty. schmoll
The door analogy was to show that in text, saying something won't budge doesn't mean it's unliftable. My point was that carver's logic means that if I said I couldn't budge a door, using his logic automatically leaps to me trying to lift said door - which is nonsensical.
A tight screw not budging is another.
If I said a horse was being stubborn and won't even budge.... Carver's logic automatically goes to 'DS specifically tried and failed to lift that horse!
After all, this all stems from Carver not liking that he didn't have an answer against Cable (or any other Tker) using TK to grab Hulk's organs and lift them into the air.
THAT'S the real context missing here.
