Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
A inferior version of Morrison. Synder trying to copy Morrison's writing style make things big but always less than satisfactory

For exmaple: Recently JLA issues, His 6th dimension hasn't any impressive/creative element, Just telling it superior to 5th dimension

Pretty much. Snyder is cribbing more off Marvel's dime a dozen jobber abstracts for a Fantastic Four story then anything Morrison has done. Morrison's Swamp Thing is one of the most satisfying epics in comic book history, because of how it was crafted. Give Snyder the exact same scenerio, and same characters, and no one would remember it.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Also, the primal monitor can be thought of as the void/ocean in the 6th dimension.

If Snyder was smart, he’d try to tie in some of the inconsistencies to actually cement a future for what he is established today. This way, future writers can expand on something that was already established

Wouldn't work. Morrison already established there was no dimensions, or anything else, until the anomaly of the dcu. Any attempt to combine the two creation mythology would require significant retconning.

Snyder's version has enough problems of its own, without trying to accommodate a better story. Like the Source Wall, which didn't even exist in the prior universe, yet somehow keeps the void from sucking out the universe now?

Was it sucking out the universe before the wall? If not, why not? If Snyder can't even address this basic, very obvious plot hole, maybe he shouldn't be aiming so high. Stick to grounded stories like his Batman one, and leave the high multiverse shaking stuff for others who expert in it.

Snyder is a poor man's Morrison. I think we can all agree there.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except we see the same energy around Stormbreaker.

Was he controlling Stormbreaker too?

Where is that energy here:

He only used his energy to gather them together. Not to protect them.

Edit: as I said. Insane feat for all.

Carv, hello!!

I can only see Surfer's crotch

no penis or butthole was seen that day

lol at surfers face. Hes having a rough time

God, I really hate the artwork. 😘

Originally posted by Galan007
Snyder is a poor man's Morrison. I think we can all agree there.

I feel like he has some really, really interesting ideas, and can even start to develop them in to interesting stories at the start of the arcs. He just can't sustain them at all, and what begins as a "huh, that's interesting" becomes "...the **** is this shite?" by the end.

His characterisation can be really shaky at times too.

Exactly. 👆

The problem with Snyder is that he comes up with pretty good ideas that are in the same vein as Morrison, but he can't execute them nearly as well, so things get jumbled to hell by the end.

He also tries to fit WAY too much story into a handful of issues, so by the end he's got like 10 different plot points that he's trying to wrap up... Which makes things even less cohesive.

I keep feeling like I'm missing some of the story in a tie in. But nope, no tie ins.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Are you legit retarded? No matter how you interpret the latest Superman feat, he still punched out an Anti-Monitor level being. Surfer getting good feats doesn't compare to the writing Superman is getting on a surface level.

Stoking the fires of delusion.

That being said, here's how I see the Surfer feat:
He chucked Stormbreaker out of a black hole
He ripped out of a black hole seemingly physically to save others
And this exertion and distraction weakened him to a point he couldn't escape himself
The black hole was also pretending to act like a black hole for once, which is always a pleasure to see (time shatters, reality is effed in the Carvehole). While Surfer was effected by it, he still withstood it while saving everyone.
He then either lands at the conclusion of the black hole, or in a place he arrived in after messing with the fabric of the black hole. The planet is not in the black hole.
This place if combining with Venom #4 might be a different dimension - Knull calls it his dimension. All the area is shrouded in darkness with Knull blinking out stars with darkness.
He creates a mini star while weakened that clears the shroud off the planet.
It is my opinion that he lights the entire planet and his star is this planet's "long forgotten sun" due to everything in the galaxy being dark, not just the planet. Doesn't ultimately matter though. Lighting up a planet is whatever.
And beats Knull's sentries which are symbiotes covering Gods.

It seems the doorway is in an alternate place from said alternate place. Which is in 616. It's the same place as when Gorr first found the Necrosword iirc. If it's the same, and combining it with a preview wording, it's a whole galaxy that Knull was shrouding in the abyss.

Anyway, good feats. Completely blows away say the way Thor is being written, but you'd have to be retarded to think this in any way compares to the way Superman has been written lately.

While I do like the way he's writing Surfer, and obviously like the feats so far, I am worried about his Knull fixation. I don't want the first possibly good Surfer stories to become focused on Venom shit. Mind you if he could center this to be more Knull than Symbiotes I wouldn't mind. I'd rather expand the actual character than the consequences of his actions. Even Gayson Aaron seems to be going back to Necrosword shit for his shit story, and is now retroactively Symbiote shit. Venom shit everywhere.

If we're getting Knull, focus on the actual character.

Huge huge fan of getting the script though. I'd love to see some Morrison scripts, or even some Jason Aaron scripts [Thor gets knocked out and I go against things I wrote previously].

tbh, i think the most impressive part of the entire story was the fact that he is literally powered by cosmic energy from stars and he had no access to that energy at all. he'd have been....ludicrously weakened by the time he was able to 'travel eons' near instantly (one of or perhaps his BEST speed showing....ever), created a small sun, and battled the guardians. it sounds like i'm beating a dead horse here, but if a dc guy did anything close to that, while grossly weakened, well...it would have met with a very different reaction.

i disagree that he broke out of the black hole physically though. that's what made it even cooler. as for where the planet was--there was definitely some symbolism in the way space folded around him when he passed out, suggesting he went back into the hole. but he seemed to see light from outside it. maybe it was supposed to have acted as a wormhole? not sure. the whole scene goes white at one point for some reason. very difficult to say for sure what they were hoping to get across. my thought was something very alien, and very, very far away. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, i think the most impressive part of the entire story was the fact that he is literally powered by cosmic energy from stars and he had no access to that energy at all. he'd have been....ludicrously weakened by the time he was able to 'travel eons' near instantly (one of or perhaps his BEST speed showing....ever), created a small sun, and battled the guardians. it sounds like i'm beating a dead horse here, but if a dc guy did anything close to that, while grossly weakened, well...it would have met with a very different reaction.

i disagree that he broke out of the black hole physically though. that's what made it even cooler. as for where the planet was--there was definitely some symbolism in the way space folded around him when he passed out, suggesting he went back into the hole. but he seemed to see light from outside it. maybe it was supposed to have acted as a wormhole? not sure. the whole scene goes white at one point for some reason. very difficult to say for sure what they were hoping to get across. my thought was something very alien, and very, very far away. /shrug

I have to disagree. One the feat was not similar and this wasn’t lowballed from the dc guys. People were questioning the size/density of the planet and I saw no such thing about the sun. We could have easily said it was a big light ball because the heat from a real sun would have burned the entire planet and the gravity would have torn the planet apart. It was about basketball size about 1000 feet off the ground. None of us lowballed the feat this way. Nor did anyone question that surfer was in the blackhole or counter his escape. Did he escape? Or did he pass through a wormhole like you said. He was
Getting weaker and weaker until he was out of it. Once he got out he started to regain his strength, you can see how skeletal he was getting and then he was nearly full surfer size while fighting the sentries. No one questioned if he had regained his strength, we just accepted whatever was being pushed by the marvel guys. Because the feat was not that impressive. The sun feat is nothing for a guy that creates black holes.

Which durability is more impressive ? A guy in a blackhole that is losing strength and getting weaker to the point of almost dying or a kid that acts like he’s at the beach with black sand? Thats why surfer’s feat wasn’t that impressive. Heck Superman used blackholes as shortcuts to get from point a to point b. Would surfer try something like that knowing that getting stuck in one almost killed him?

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, i think the most impressive part of the entire story was the fact that he is literally powered by cosmic energy from stars and he had no access to that energy at all. he'd have been....ludicrously weakened by the time he was able to 'travel eons' near instantly (one of or perhaps his BEST speed showing....ever), created a small sun, and battled the guardians. it sounds like i'm beating a dead horse here, but if a dc guy did anything close to that, while grossly weakened, well...it would have met with a very different reaction.

i disagree that he broke out of the black hole physically though. that's what made it even cooler. as for where the planet was--there was definitely some symbolism in the way space folded around him when he passed out, suggesting he went back into the hole. but he seemed to see light from outside it. maybe it was supposed to have acted as a wormhole? not sure. the whole scene goes white at one point for some reason. very difficult to say for sure what they were hoping to get across. my thought was something very alien, and very, very far away. /shrug

Alright.

I've longed since stopped caring about what "the opposition" does and only really care about what the characters I'm reading about are doing. DC/Marvel, both are garbage. Read your characters, not your enemies. There's only so much emotion I can have about comics now, and most of it is stored for my hate towards Jason Aaron.
People want to champion DC... couldn't give a shit. My character appeared and people are talking about him, and I'll talk about him in the capacity I'm accustomed to. You can't expect me to go full Carver at this stage. 😬

On that note, Carver doesn't even like Surfer. His bandwagon shit to try and get people hyped up for Hulk/down-with-Supes somehow is disgusting. Unless Carver is using this to say Surfer rips Hulk in half, I don't want to hear that shit.

Anyway, seems physical, or at least as hands on as he can with his Cosmic Energy. TK type shit, idk.
https://imgur.com/Y6Uxiws

Https://imgur.com/cDiqabz
https://imgur.com/rE4iX9D

And we see this visualized as the purple has been used to represent the actual walls of the black hole. We see it swallow him and take him away into the abyss. We never see the purple again.
Also note this isn't portrayed as the poopchute, which is why I'm hesitant to claim it the end. It seems like Surfer just gets swallowed into the sides and then eventually drops out of normal space entirely.
https://imgur.com/HgJnnJ5
https://imgur.com/5jufK0f

https://imgur.com/NcouLlw
https://imgur.com/uI9xTgB

Not to mention if this entire [potential galaxy] is inside the black hole, that means that we have full planets and stars within the black hole. No, seems more likely it's just an alternate universe/location. Whatever the black holes function was, Surfer was not in it during his entire stay.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I have to disagree. One the feat was not similar and this wasn’t lowballed from the dc guys. People were questioning the size/density of the planet and I saw no such thing about the sun. We could have easily said it was a big light ball because the heat from a real sun would have burned the entire planet and the gravity would have torn the planet apart. It was about basketball size about 1000 feet off the ground. None of us lowballed the feat this way. Nor did anyone question that surfer was in the blackhole or counter his escape. Did he escape? Or did he pass through a wormhole like you said. He was
Getting weaker and weaker until he was out of it. Once he got out he started to regain his strength, you can see how skeletal he was getting and then he was nearly full surfer size while fighting the sentries. No one questioned if he had regained his strength, we just accepted whatever was being pushed by the marvel guys. Because the feat was not that impressive. The sun feat is nothing for a guy that creates black holes.

Which durability is more impressive ? A guy in a blackhole that is losing strength and getting weaker to the point of almost dying or a kid that acts like he’s at the beach with black sand? Thats why surfer’s feat wasn’t that impressive. Heck Superman used blackholes as shortcuts to get from point a to point b. Would surfer try something like that knowing that getting stuck in one almost killed him?

"One the feat was not similar and this wasn’t lowballed from the dc guys."

^^ not sure why i cant quote your post. I know my post was one big blob of lowballing the feat, but that wasn't my intention. It was basically in response to "but if a dc guy did anything close to that, while grossly weakened, well...it would have met with a very different reaction". None of the dc guys took to lowballing the feat and we could easily have done so. i'll admit i pulled a lot of carver tactics there but that was only to get my point across. Ive taken to not caring about the opposition also and only comment about the characters that I like. Not enough time to read all the comics.

I'm not sure why anyone is trying to interpret the blackhole as anything quantifiable one way or the other. We know it wasn't a "normal blackhole" because of all the crazy shit that went down, so that aspect of the ordeal is virtually meaningless except to demonstrate him out preforming Brb and someone who looks like Cosmic Ghost Rider. That's obviously impressive in a way, but none of it is anything you can point to as meaning anything specific.

Originally posted by MrMind
no penis or butthole was seen that day

😂

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not sure why anyone is trying to interpret the blackhole as anything quantifiable one way or the other. We know it wasn't a "normal blackhole" because of all the crazy shit that went down, so that aspect of the ordeal is virtually meaningless except to demonstrate him out preforming Brb and someone who looks like Cosmic Ghost Rider. That's obviously impressive in a way, but none of it is anything you can point to as meaning anything specific.

It's a good feat for Surfer, because the other heroes would have evidently been f*cked without him. It's also impressive that he was able to preform the feats he did while weakened. But yeah, it's really hard to quantify the 'impressiveness' of it... Especially in battleboard-speak or w/e.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not sure why anyone is trying to interpret the blackhole as anything quantifiable one way or the other. We know it wasn't a "normal blackhole" because of all the crazy shit that went down, so that aspect of the ordeal is virtually meaningless except to demonstrate him out preforming Brb and someone who looks like Cosmic Ghost Rider. That's obviously impressive in a way, but none of it is anything you can point to as meaning anything specific.

If anything, the black hole which Jon Kent went through was stated to be special due to collapse of the Source Wall.

Surfer was almost torn apart by the black hole as explicitly stated in the script. Good luck with that.