Originally posted by -K-M-There's still room for them in Snyder's muddled cosmology, imo.
On a side note with the recent reveal of the "brothers" and Perpetua does this completely retcon the 52 other over-monitors?
The Primal Monitor/Overvoid only discovered the multiverse after the stories within it were already in full-swing. That's when he created the first 'probe-Monitor'(Dax Novu) and sent him to examine multiverse... And from that sprang the Monitor race we saw in Countdown and FC.
Certainly Perpetua's son(Mar Novu) predates the other Monitors, though, as he was birthed before World Forger had filled the multiverse with life.
Originally posted by Galan007that’s a very good point. 👆
There's still room for them in Snyder's muddled cosmology, imo.The Primal Monitor/Overvoid only discovered the multiverse after the stories within it were already in full-swing. That's when he created the first 'probe-Monitor'(Dax Novu) and sent him to examine multiverse... And from that sprang the Monitor race we saw in Countdown and FC.
Certainly Perpetua's son(Mar Novu) predates the other Monitors, though, as he was birthed before World Forger had filled the multiverse with life.
Yeah, Jor-El has been handled poorly.
As Mr. Oz he was this mysterious pseudo-antagonist, who seemed to be prepping the universe for the arrival of Dr. Manhattan... Moving around characters and their stories like pieces on a chessboard. A legit behind the scenes mastermind.
Then he was revealed to be Jor-El and just... Leaves all of that behind and becomes an old Kryptonian nutjob? Umm, okay..? 😕
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well he says they should be dead, and that he cannot save them.
He did save them though. It weakened him but he went above and beyond his capabilities and saved all of them.
He was inside a black hole for yrs. Yep, he shouldve died which makes the ft insane. Especially considering what he did afterwards.
Originally posted by carver9
He did save them though. It weakened him but he went above and beyond his capabilities and saved all of them.He was inside a black hole for yrs. Yep, he shouldve died which makes the ft insane. Especially considering what he did afterwards.
Yeah, he saved them by ripping the hole etc.
But they weren't dead in the rift. And he wasn't protecting them. Cosmo, Starjammers etc were, well, not fine, but not dead either.
Insane feat for all.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he saved them by ripping the hole etc.But they weren't dead in the rift. And he wasn't protecting them. Cosmo, Starjammers etc were, well, not fine, but not dead either.
Insane feat for all.
Wait. You're argument is similar to what you said about Batman and the rest of the JLA seeing Superman flying to WF with the punch. Didnt you say it was plot driven?
Not similar. Completely different...Let me explain.
Superman was seen by Batman et al (and it was a pity that the thread was closed...I was collecting scans showing all of the JLA reacting to light speed attacks lol. Yes, including Batman), DESPITE the text showing that he was MFTL a few panels earlier.
Therefore, I say it's plot driven. I can show lizards and random animals reacting to the Flashes when they ran around the world during Flash War, for example.
You say that surviving the black hole is a good feat. I say others also survived.
Why is Cosmo surviving plot driven, but NOT Surfer? Why is BRB survivng the hole plot driven, but NOT Surfer? Answer: because you want Surfer to have this feat. Bias.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not similar. Completely different...Let me explain.Superman was seen by Batman et al (and it was a pity that the thread was closed...I was collecting scans showing all of the JLA reacting to light speed attacks lol. Yes, including Batman), DESPITE the text showing that he was MFTL a few panels earlier.
Therefore, I say it's plot driven. I can show lizards and random animals reacting to the Flashes when they ran around the world during Flash War, for example.
You say that surviving the black hole is a good feat. I say others also survived.
Why is Cosmo surviving plot driven, but NOT Surfer? Why is BRB survivng the hole plot driven, but NOT Surfer? Answer: because you want Surfer to have this feat. Bias.
...thats not what happened.. YOU have no IDEA what happened in the comic. stop
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
...thats not what happened.. YOU have no IDEA what happened in the comic. stop
They were surviving without Surfer's intervention.
@Carver:
Here, a random soldier is able to react to the Flashes at top speed.
Does that mean the soldier has super speed reflexes? Answers on a postcard please.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They were surviving without Surfer's intervention.@Carver:
Here, a random soldier is able to react to the Flashes at top speed.
Does that mean the soldier has super speed reflexes? Answers on a postcard please.
Superman doesnt suppose to be discussed so I will leave it alone, BUT, Surfer used his energy to save them and he it was stated on panel what he endured.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman doesnt suppose to be discussed so I will leave it alone, BUT, Surfer used his energy to save them and he it was stated on panel what he endured.
Except we see the same energy around Stormbreaker.
Was he controlling Stormbreaker too?
Where is that energy here:
He only used his energy to gather them together. Not to protect them.
Edit: as I said. Insane feat for all.
Originally posted by MrMindA inferior version of Morrison. Synder trying to copy Morrison's writing style make things big but always less than satisfactory
what do you guys think of current Snyder's JLA run comparing to Morrison's JLA run 20 years ago?
For exmaple: Recently JLA issues, His 6th dimension hasn't any impressive/creative element, Just telling it superior to 5th dimension