Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by Diesldude
Lamo when he was fighting lex he was sent via wormhole to gazillion light years away and came back in the same panel. This writer stated that Superman may have trouble flying faster than light. So is he really amped ? I don’t even think this is mainstream.

I do agree though that he doesn't appear to be exhibiting any of the Warworld amps though.

Originally posted by ODG
Not the first time storylines that are published simultaneously seem to contradict. I mean, it was an ongoing gag how many storylines Wolverine was in across his solo comics, minis and X-Men titles. Methinks this storyline occurs before or well after the Warworld saga. Will just have to wait until either (or both) are finished.

I do agree though that he doesn't appear to be exhibiting any of the Warworld amps though.

If it was Surfer, Thor, Hulk or anyone else, these showings wouldn't be written off. It's canon, so it stays.

lol, like you know what canon actually means, Carver.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Pretty sure even after Silver Age, the need for breathing also varies from writer to writer

superman 251, Broze Age
https://ibb.co/st8DvK6

Post-crisis
https://ibb.co/WGzkmm2

New 52
https://ibb.co/gTS6vNv

And if we don't want too strictly speaking, then back in the Golden Age. Superboy(Earth-1 Kal-El) consistently was stated to be can hold his breathe indefinitely
https://ibb.co/qybmvNC
https://ibb.co/k5C9kFG

And incapable of being suffocated, broze age
https://ibb.co/y8zPZxw

There you go then, it's more dependent on writer than comic age 👆

Given Superman's fast array of powers/power-level, not needing to breathe, is not a huge jump.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but the words also implied that the hyperspace the issue 2 referred to is the black hole functioned as the wormhole
As you can see, it stated here
1)it stated the stellar drive creates wormhole to achieve FTL
2)the ship was shrinking due to it was being pulled into the singularity
https://ibb.co/XJBrd02
And later we see how the ship was gone(I.E continously shrinking but Superman was acting as a circuit to prevent it from expanding)
https://ibb.co/8j9hkSw

Then, in the next issue, it attributes Superman was in there due to the black hole
https://ibb.co/yy5Bgb2
Plus, the fact Superman needed to untying Diana's lasso in fear of pulling others in
https://ibb.co/Nr7Bp8s
So, yeah, I think it should be the former interpretation in your original post

Edit:

https://ibb.co/sgPLC7q

But even if we assume he did fall into it, it wouldn't be quantifiable as a durability feat because his physiology explicitly interacted with it in an exotic manner that's not been made clear.

The series just started and will go on for another eight issues, so we're probably going to get feats better representative of his durability, and maybe we'll get a better explanation of the black hole feat. Either way, I'm going to reserve my judgement on this until it's made clearer.

Best to see characters as different iterations with different writers. The best thing about Hulk is when new writer takes Hulk on they normally create a new version, often true of Thor and Iron Man's armours. Its when they don't problems really start for continuity if you don't take that view. Look at Spiderman... This is why comic fans often become cringe, trying to create their own continuities in their heads. Comics, Canon and continuity should never be used together. That's why it's good when people talk about Loeb or David Hulk or Byrne Superman, Miller Daredevil etc.

Of course the powers of a character is always going to be weighed against the character's consistency. But every feat (and anti-feats) still needs to be evaluated.

One of the common mistakes new powerscalers tend to make is thinking that outliers (be they low-end or high-end) can be disregarded, but that's not how it works. Any case may make use of any feats and anti-feats (at any time) to establish a character's power, but it's the most consistent case that will be accepted.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not seeing anything here that explicitly confirms that he fell into it. Let's not ignore that Superman did get it to enter hyperspace, and the ship looks partially intact as Superman drifts towards it or away from it (not really clear).

But even if we assume he did fall into it, it wouldn't be quantifiable as a durability feat because his physiology explicitly interacted with it in an exotic manner that's not been made clear.

The series just started and will go on for another eight issues, so we're probably going to get feats better representative of his durability, and maybe we'll get a better explanation of the black hole feat. Either way, I'm going to reserve my judgement on this until it's made clearer.

https://i.ibb.co/x2zMmBT/21.jpg

But even if we go by the interpretation he can survive black holes due to his physiology, it still makes him, well, can survive black holes/it still makes him have resistance to black holes, no?

Though I do agree there are still many issues to go in this series, so all the interpretaions I represented here are based on current information and subject to change

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I was saying he entered the hyperspace by falling into it/the black hole worked as a wormhole. And if we want to look at the art, when Superman got out the hyperspace, the art also depicts it looks like a black hole(corresponding with the statement he was displaced by a black hole/singularity)

https://i.ibb.co/x2zMmBT/21.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But even if we go by the interpretation he can survive black holes due to his physiology, it still makes him, well, can survive black holes/it still makes him have resistance to black holes, no?

Originally posted by Astner
No, the black hole is still contained in the ship in the upper panel. What actually happened isn't explicit. That's my point. He may have fallen into it afterwards, but we don't know for sure.

Yes. But what's interesting is not whether he can survive falling into a black hole, it's whether or not he's durable enough to withstand the forces he'd be subjected to if it wasn't for his physiology disrupting them, or whatever is being implied.

So....Superman can survive black holes, whether you interpret it as Superman has that durability or Superman has some exotic methods to deal with black holes, both are useful for him, no?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok? So, when Superman got out hyperspace, what behind him is a black hole, and the statement corresponding with he was displaced by a singularity/black hole. This for me seems to be the hyperspace was the black hole

The red circle is the worm hole. That's why we can see the Sun in it.

The black hole, indicated by the green circle, is still inside the ship.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So....Superman can survive black holes, whether you interpret it as Superman has that durability or Superman has some exotic methods to deal with black holes, both are useful for him, no?

Originally posted by Astner
I think we're seeing different things here.

The red circle is the worm hole. That's why we can see the Sun in it.

The black hole, indicated by the green circle, is still inside the ship.

It can be useful in some battles, but it's a very special type of durability, and it's important to make that clear.

https://archive.org/details/x-men-the-animated-series-1080p-ai-upscale_202204/EP01+-+Night+of+the+Sentinels.mkv

Hey AI Upscale of X-men the animated series! 👆

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Best to see characters as different iterations with different writers. The best thing about Hulk is when new writer takes Hulk on they normally create a new version, often true of Thor and Iron Man's armours. Its when they don't problems really start for continuity if you don't take that view. Look at Spiderman... This is why comic fans often become cringe, trying to create their own continuities in their heads. Comics, Canon and continuity should never be used together. That's why it's good when people talk about Loeb or David Hulk or Byrne Superman, Miller Daredevil etc.

Nobody hates comic fans as much as other comic fans, eh?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody hates comic fans as much as other comic fans, eh?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it's not that it's just, a charadhter is only as that writer or director sees them. Let's use Sherlock Holmes for example, Sherlock with Cumberbatch and Sherlock Holmes by Guy Ritchie and the one with the guy from Trainspotting all came out around the same time. They are all Sherlock Holmes, but so very different ad was the writers and Directors intent. Comics are the same. Usually comics, films etc are head canon for the creator at that point, look at the recent Jojo Rabbit Thor, that's not the Thor from Richard Branner (sp) and the first film... but it is...

And this is why I consider IP law bollocks. If everyone had access to Superman, you'd end up with a race of ideas and craftsmanship. Just like with Sherlock Holmes.

The only losers are the hacks and the IP tyrants who hoard and sit on their laurals.

Originally posted by cdtm
And this is why I consider IP law bollocks. If everyone had access to Superman, you'd end up with a race of ideas and craftsmanship. Just like with Sherlock Holmes.

Originally posted by Smurph
First and only time Todd has said it would be good to have more race in his comics.

😂

Originally posted by cdtm
And this is why I consider IP law bollocks. If everyone had access to Superman, you'd end up with a race of ideas and craftsmanship. Just like with Sherlock Holmes.