Originally posted by Smurph
Cool. So in other words, the exact opposite of what you initially said: Not mentioned as an aside, but mentioned as a point pertinent to the discussion.Not a "separate and distinct" attribute, but in fact a related and pertinent one.
Concession accepted. 👆
Related is very different from being interchangeable with something. Pedantry doesnt change the point ive clearly established.
It just demonstrates the limits of what youre working with. 😱
Originally posted by ODG
Some random page of metallurgy that speaks of definitions of "hardness" and "toughness" which aren't even mentioned in the fictional comic book scene we're discussing. Yeah. Way to punctuate how pedantic you're being.
Not reliant on metallurgy, even standard English definitions dont have them as interchangeable. Theyre connected but not one and the same. But yes, you redefine the English language to suit your takes clown
Originally posted by ODG
👆 Because the scale of a normal Dominion was explicitly defined as below universal Abstracts and threatened by the Phoenixforce and Galactus. So I mocked the notion that the Enigma was a simple Dominion that could threaten the entire Marvel Multiverse. Now we know the Enigma ain't no simple Dominion. Far from it. It's a Dominion on steroids whose conglomeration appears to be exponential in nature rather than simply additive. I loved the reveal. Don't project your abject disappointment onto me, pal.kinda
You do not get to spin your way out of that L. You ranted, raved and protested against the idea of any connection at all and had your tomfoolery shutdown in print.
Happy days 😱 😆
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt's true. I begged Smurph in PMs to support me in my controversial interpretation that a comicbook conversation re: a fictional plot device magic metal's durability and strength means they're basically talking about the same thing.
Up off your knees and stop begging for support.
Luckily, we have our very own board-certified KMC Metallurgist to dispel any such simple notions. When it comes to a fictional plot device magic metal named "mysterium"... well... arbitrary references to IRL metallurgy clearly defines said comicbook conversation.
Durability cannot possibly mean strength nor vice-versa.
Cuz... yknow... metallurgy???
kinda
Originally posted by GalacticStormLimits that you've artifically imposed on a simple comic book scene because you're a metallurgist offended that a metal's durability was conflated with its strength... while reading a comicbook.... about a fictional metal... called "mysterium".
Related is very different from being interchangeable with something. Pedantry doesnt change the point ive clearly established.It just demonstrates the limits of what youre working with.
K. 👆
And back to mysterium 😂
So to recap:
I posted a showing of Logan's adamantium failing to cut Emma, and skrunching against the Mark 72 armour.
Stilt posts a scan of Weez Kydd saying(when it first appeared) that mysterium's strength is on par with ]secondary adamantium.
That is what we have so far.
Now, I am saying that the IM scan shows Mysterium is > Primary Adamantium in terms of - we can go the pedantic route and say hardness, or strength, or whatever. Stilt's scan talks about toughness, about strength, nothing about hardness. Diamond is harder than steel, but it is NOT stronger, and not tougher, than steel (useful example, as Emma's diamond form wasn't scratched).
My point is that whilst the IM showing is inconsistent with Stilt's scan, it's not as if inconsistency has never occurred in comics before, right? ESPECIALLY with statements about strength vs actual feats of said strength. Gladiator is said to be stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED - would we take that as gospel, for example? If you don't like that particular example, I am sure there are many others that you yourselves can think of.
Using explanations like it has a mysterious undefined warpy effect is just....as head canononony as saying Logan has been resurrected with secondary adamantium this entire time. I mean, all things are possible, it's fiction, but it's more probable that it's inconsistent with Stilt's statement scan, and mysterium is stronger/harder/sexier than adamantium.
Relying on using it's magnetic properties as a get-out clause, whilst again, possible, is inconsistent with how Polaris/Magneto have never commented on it in relation to adamantium, Laura and Logan have been in close proximity to mysterium - never had this undefined warpy effect. Forge, Riri, nobody has ever commented on it. Kingpin's cane - ditto.
We have to have a lot of mental gymnastics to give mysterium these undefined warpy properties that only occur when it has something to fear from getting stabbed, when the reverse is much easier to accept/imagine - the writer was inconsistent.
I mean, we even see it with well-established characters like Emma. She has been stabbed in the thigh before by Laura - but here, the bloodlusted robot didn't even scratch her. Wyzzz Kidd says it's not difficult to shape 'at all:
- yet Tony says he shouldn't be able to shape it:
It's just writer inconsistency, but feats always trumped statements, and new information always trumped old.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's just writer inconsistency, but feats always trumped statements, and new information always trumped old.
Ewing is the creator of mysterium and a respected writer.
Duggan is the carver of comic book writers, whose best work is... Deadpool?
This carverosexuality of yours is pretty wild and has officially gotten out of control, bro.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85So why are you pushing for the conclusion that every Wolverine-resurrection skeletons are somehow inferior to Wolverine's primary adamantium skeleton because of mysterium's mysterious properties in unrelated comics?
[b]My point is that whilst the IM showing is inconsistent with Stilt's scan, it's not as if inconsistency has never occurred in comics before, right? [/b]
You're preaching that inconsistencies exist but sometimes inconsistency is just canon... and you have to accept it. So why are you malding over this: mysterium is only as physically durable as secondary adamantium but it can warp primary adamantium due to mysterious plot device attributes, e.g., maybe magnetism???
These are not suppositions by the way. This is exactly what we've seen on-panel. So you're really just arguing with the comics and not us KMC posters.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85No, Galan007's reference to mysterium's magnetic properties is not just head canon. Mysterium has mysterious magnetic properties as established on-panel. Mysteriurm also has further undefined mysterious properties that haven't even been discovered yet. Also established on-panel.
Using explanations like it has a mysterious undefined warpy effect is just....as head canononony as saying Logan has been resurrected with secondary adamantium this entire time. I mean, all things are possible, it's fiction, but it's more probable that it's inconsistent with Stilt's statement scan, and mysterium is stronger/harder/sexier than adamantium.
The idea that all of Wolverine's Krakoan resurrections resulted in him being resurrected with inferior adamantium skeletons? That has not been hinted on-panel, much less established on-panel.
Don't act like the shoe;s on the other foot here, bruh.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSays the only schmuck that mentioned metallurgy on a comics forum...
Not reliant on metallurgy
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhat are you even babbling about? You're the idiot that criticized my placement of the Enigma at #1 in my proposed cosmic hierarchy in the first place:
You do not get to spin your way out of that L.
Originally posted by GalacticStormI replied that I strongly doubted that the Enigma was a Dominion as standard Dominions were way down the pecking order in the overall Marvel cosmic hierarchy. Now we find out that the Enigma is a supercharged Dominion.
Whilst i get your reasoning, I still think its a bit premature to place the Dominion at number 1.
So how is this my "L", exactly? I placed the Enigma at the top of my cosmic hierarchy and it remains there. It's actually your "L" if anything. You denounced that placement... and given the revelations now... somehow you are blaming me for placing the Enigma that high?
While I may have doubted that the Enigma was a simple Dominion (which remains true), you were the idiot who suggested that the Enigma couldn't be such a multiversal threat (which it is) in the first place! Neither of us knew that the Enigma was a supercharged Dominion... but who was wrong and right in the first place, i.e., how dangerous is the Enigma? Are you trying to ignore the impetus of our debate? Seems so.
There have been worse attempts of rewriting history fallacies... but this is probably the clumsiest attempt Ive personally dealt with in a long time. The threads speak for themselves
Kid, just read and enjoy the comics. Nobody here needs your zealous distortion of fictional comics.
Huh, based on the preview of Action, Superman's brain is capable of containing an exact replica of the entire Earth
https://aiptcomics.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Action-Comics-1063-2.jpg?resize=998%2C1536&ssl=1&ezimgfmt=ng:webp/ngcb4
Reminds of Superman's moon-building feat(he built the Moon the way it was)
Hmm, so recent AC issue
Superman's brain is capable of storing the entire information of the Earth
And Superman has Kryptonian mental defenses
Superman fights Bizarro's control for a shit long time without the intention to kill him.
Although Bizarro seems has a upper hand for a moment, the Bizarro Joker's words give Superman motivations and immediately overcomes Bizarro's control
Later, he reverses Bizarro's spell(which not even Dr.Fate and other many magical users capable of) despite Superman is still vulnerable to magic.
