Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't the comic only state they did things to him? I.E, this scan
https://ibb.co/f2dB3LS

Not sure how is this pretty explicit though.

"Every day they would restrain me in a way that left me exposed and vulnerable"

"And every day for eight months they did... they did things to me"

The way Superman can't verbalize what happened to him; the phrase "restrain... in a way that left me exposed and vulnerable". A Superman comic can't use the word rape or depict rape happening, but that is a page about rape all the same.

All to say, maybe that's not the best comic to ground an argument that all events are canon.

🙁

Originally posted by Smurph
And then you look at the face of the guy holding the rebar?

The way Superman can't verbalize what happened to him; the phrase "restrain... in a way that left me exposed and vulnerable". A Superman comic can't use the word rape or depict rape happening, but that is a page about rape all the same.

But I'm not sure how this affects the discussion here? Even if Superman was raped, it doesn't change the story was directly referred(and technically, it doesn't really retcon anything)

Originally posted by Smurph
All to say, maybe that's not the best comic to ground an argument that all events are canon.

🙁

https://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-superman-red-and-blue-interview/

At the time I was asked to write a Superman story, the things that I was writing were coming from a real perspective about race and demographics. And that was fine and great, because those were things that I really understood. Those are the things that I like writing about in television, film, books, and graphic novels, to just give a little bit of perspective, a little reality check in the things that I was doing. But then, I was asked to write a fairly pure Superman story, and to step out of the things that I use to make my writing distinct, urgent, and necessary. And it was like, 'Okay, can you really step up and write one more story to add to the great canon of one of the greatest characters ever created? And do something not necessarily monumental, or game-changing, but adds to Superman?' That was a little daunting.

I don’t think we can remove 80 year old feats just because they are 80 years old. Superman isn’t portrayed as an 80 year old hero. I think we should take those feats especially if they are still implied as cannon and juxtaposition them with the current Superman.

Those feats happened when Superman was at a certain age even if the happened 60-80 years ago. Superman is currently in his adulthood. We should age group his feats and not when they occurred. The same can be said for other comic characters.

When is the Superman vs Godzilla rematch? Can’t wait to see Superman push Godzilla’s tail in.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I don’t think we can remove 80 year old feats just because they are 80 years old. Superman isn’t portrayed as an 80 year old hero. I think we should take those feats especially if they are still implied as cannon and juxtaposition them with the current Superman.

Those feats happened when Superman was at a certain age even if the happened 60-80 years ago. Superman is currently in his adulthood. We should age group his feats and not when they occurred. The same can be said for other comic characters.

Which only regularly seen in pre-crisis era

This power has only been seen in the Pre-crisis era. It is unknown whether it exists post-crisis.

And Superman recently met pre-crisis Terra-Man, Terra-Man directly says he and superman has their fair share of run-ins
https://ibb.co/zPRRz95
https://ibb.co/54mttpH

This is Pre-Crisis Terra-Man, who is a space cowboy
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/76/Tobias_Manning_Earth-One_0001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240114140943
This is Post-Crisis Terra-man, who is a Poison Ivy rip-off
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/b/b9/Terra-Man_002.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091029030619

And then you've The Abominable Snowman(Doctor Phoenix version)
https://ibb.co/cbxL4WV
Who is only has Pre-Crisis appearances before Infinite Frontier(I.E, after Death Metal he was brought back)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/abominable-snowman/4005-36853/issues-cover/

There are also not-direct related to Superman, but other characters made pre-crisis references examples.
Like Blue Beetle directly referred a pre-crisis comic(1967)
https://ibb.co/jv0YtBn
etcetc

But it feels this discussion is being stretched a bit in the Discussion thread. Maybe I should make a new thread?

Post-Crisis Terra-Man, the link above doesn't work when I clicked it
https://ibb.co/q9DczSV

Originally posted by Smurph
All to say, maybe that's not the best comic to ground an argument that all events are canon.

🙁

You don't get it, do you?

Clark fans love him exposed & vulnerable. Phil and Saint loved that Red & Blue comic, too, for the same reason.

That's also why they never protest against Bruce dominating and humiliating Kent in every single team-up they've ever had, canon or non-canon.

These army of Amazo's seem uber AF

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You don't get it, do you?

Clark fans love him exposed & vulnerable. Phil and Saint loved that Red & Blue comic, too, for the same reason.

That's also why they never protest against Bruce dominating and humiliating Kent in every single team-up they've ever had, canon or non-canon.

Yes, he enjoys being sub.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I don't think you can call this stupidity...

Don't bother insisting I deconstruct it any further. Current Superman did not start his career in the 1940s. Accordingly, "one timeline where everything matters" is nothing more than lip-service.

You don't like it? Cry more about it. cry

Originally posted by ODG
It's stupidity. Simple as.

Don't bother insisting I deconstruct it any further. Current Superman did not start his career in the 1940s. Accordingly, "one timeline where everything matters" is nothing more than lip-service.

You don't like it? Cry more about it. cry

Use your words, You don't like it? Cry more about it

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I mean recently just in the Wonder Woman comic, Superman mentions his super-ventriloquism
https://ibb.co/k6qRBdx

Which only regularly seen in pre-crisis era

https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Ventriloquism

And Superman recently met pre-crisis Terra-Man, Terra-Man directly says he and superman has their fair share of run-ins
https://ibb.co/zPRRz95
https://ibb.co/54mttpH

This is Pre-Crisis Terra-Man, who is a space cowboy
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/76/Tobias_Manning_Earth-One_0001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20240114140943
This is Post-Crisis Terra-man, who is a Poison Ivy rip-off
https://ibb.co/q9DczSV

And then you've The Abominable Snowman(Doctor Phoenix version)
https://ibb.co/cbxL4WV
Who is only has Pre-Crisis appearances before Infinite Frontier(I.E, after Death Metal he was brought back)
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/abominable-snowman/4005-36853/issues-cover/

There are also not-direct related to Superman, but other characters made pre-crisis references examples.
Like Blue Beetle directly referred a pre-crisis comic(1967)
https://ibb.co/jv0YtBn
etcetc

But it feels this discussion is being stretched a bit in the Discussion thread. Maybe I should make a new thread?

But of course, we can make a new thread, and let the mods decide

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And the comics explicitly states the comic book time concept, plus all eras of DC are canon.

Originally posted by ODG
So current Superman started his career in the 1940s during the height of World War II? Yes or no?

I mean by your logic, the Red/Blue comic reference also wouldn't make sense
In the original story, Superman lands in the country, and gives a silver half-dollar with Kennedy's face on:
https://i.postimg.cc/PrDyhTxj/RCO007.jpg

Those coins were first minted in 1964.

Then, Superman realises that the flag the bad guys are using is wrong:
https://i.postimg.cc/qvdLvShC/RCO014.jpg

Alaska and Hawaii joined the US in 1959 - so 'over 10 years', plus the coin, dates the entire comic to the late 60s/early 70s. Let's say 1975.

Which means Perry White is lead editor of the Daily Planet in the 70s:
https://i.postimg.cc/HLY9QMtY/RCO004-w.jpg

Yet, he's still kicking around in Action Comics 1064, from this week:
https://i.postimg.cc/2y75F1GY/05.jpg

^ Wow. I did not anticipate you being so completely stupified so quickly. But if you want to keep up this farce, let us know...

... so current Superman started his career in the 1940s during the height of World War II? Yes or no?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Wow. I did not anticipate you being so completely stupified so quickly. But if you want to keep up this farce, let us know...

... so current Superman started his career in the 1940s during the height of World War II? Yes or no?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So comic book time doesn't exist? Yes or no?

I mean by your logic, the Red/Blue comic reference also wouldn't make sense
In the original story, Superman lands in the country, and gives a silver half-dollar with Kennedy's face on:
https://i.postimg.cc/PrDyhTxj/RCO007.jpg

Those coins were first minted in 1964.

Then, Superman realises that the flag the bad guys are using is wrong:
https://i.postimg.cc/qvdLvShC/RCO014.jpg

Alaska and Hawaii joined the US in 1959 - so 'over 10 years', plus the coin, dates the entire comic to the late 60s/early 70s. Let's say 1975.

Which means Perry White is lead editor of the Daily Planet in the 70s:
https://i.postimg.cc/HLY9QMtY/RCO004-w.jpg

Yet, he's still kicking around in Action Comics 1064, from this week:
https://i.postimg.cc/2y75F1GY/05.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You seem is dodging the answer(and question) here

So current Superman started his career in the 1940s during the height of World War II? Yes or no?

Originally posted by ODG
OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laughcry

So current Superman started his career in the 1940s during the height of World War II? Yes or no?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
[B]So comic book time doesn't exist? Yes or no?

Edit:
Also if you want to make this "X character starts at that time period doesn't make sense, so it isn't the same character" argument
I can start a thread and ask the opinions of mods