Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because DC said so/DC gives very specific proofs that pre-crisis history is canon?

Stop evading. We both know exactly why I am needling you over this. I'll label it aloud: reductio ad absurdum. Do what you can to dispel it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean The new Golden Age 1? Yes. What about it?

Originally posted by ODG
I'm not asking how DC comics have historically portrayed WW2 Wonder Woman's career. I'm asking you how we should conglomerate WW2 Wonder Woman's pre-Crisis career into the singular canon history of current Wonder Woman.

Stop evading. We both know exactly why I am needling you over this. I'll label it aloud: reductio ad absurdum. Do what you can to dispel it.

You're just repeating the same points that get countered again and again in our discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I give you the possilbe solution *if* you want to use headcanon or just simply accept it's just another comic inconsistency or whatever.
But the bottom line is simple, DC explicitly says it's canon so I'm going to argue with that

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You're just repeating the same points

You keep arguing all pre-Crisis continuity applies to characters like current Wonder Woman. I challenge you on it given all the active retcons we are seeing on-panel in recent comics. So I ask you how your own theory works, e.g., Wonder Woman. But you just run away every time.

How many times do I have to ask before we all conclude you cannot stand behind your own theory?

Originally posted by ODG
Why are not just answering my honest question? Just tell me, in your own estimation, a 2-3 sentence brief summary of Wonder Woman's career during WW2 and the Justice Society in current continuity. I mean, yes? I repeatedly needle you because you keep running away from my needling. Why wouldn't I repeat such withering criticism in the midst of your continued mendacity?

You keep arguing all pre-Crisis continuity applies to characters like current Wonder Woman. I challenge you on it given all the active retcons we are seeing on-panel in recent comics. So I ask you how your own theory works, e.g., Wonder Woman. But you just run away every time.

How many times do I have to ask before we all conclude you cannot stand behind your own theory?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because DC said so/DC gives very specific proofs that pre-crisis history is canon?
Maybe because Wonder Woman has some time travel gimmick like Green Arrow did. Maybe it's simply just another comic inconsistency, which happens all the time in comics.

I would say it's not evading, more like I'm not trying to project my headcanon like you're trying to do here.
I mean...you're the one who can't provide explicit proofs that invalidate Death Metal's single combined continuity here. All you're doing is throwing some pretty arbitrary connections and terms, like equal some certain retcons to invalidating all continuity, or when people give you proofs that all history is canon you just say it's easter egg(despite your example can be argued is even more arbitrary than these)

Originally posted by ODG
So is it your argument that current Wonder Woman spent 30 years adventuring with the Justice Society of America?

Like I said you'll move on to another idiotic question once the previous one is answered and you have no rebuttal. WW 750, canonically depicted Wonder Woman inspiring JSA. There you go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said

Just shut up when you talk to me. 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And how many times do I have to run away from a simple question like a veritable c@nt even though it extends from my own arguments????

Originally posted by ODG
I have no explicit proofs that support my claims, only my fanfiction and headcanon, so all I can do is pushing words into other posters' mounth to pretend I'm right

^ There is no game. It's just you refusing to back your own position.

You protest and insist that all pre-Crisis history is canon for current DC characters in a "single combined timeline." I direct you to actual currently published DC series like Batman/Superman: World's Finest that are spending entire issues retconning pre-Crisis history. You feebly cite sparsely scattered ads, easter eggs, tweets, etc. that aren't even current.

So we understand that you ignore currently published comics. Ok.

But then I give you multiple opportunities to simply expound your own position by applying your own analysis. I ask you to just provide a summary reconciliation of how pre-Crisis history applies to current Wonder Woman. And what do you do?

Flee. Run. Skedaddle. Retreat. Escape. Moan. Whine. B1tch. Troll.

All the time, acting like I won't accept your own analysis. Well you stupid schmuck, I am literally asking you to apply your own analysis to a single DC character and explain how it works. I think I've asked you half a dozen times now. So that makes you 6+ times b1tchmade.

Now you can keep trying to rewrite the course of this simple conversation but it's plainly obvious. You cannot even deign to champion your own position.

I am arguing against nothing. But I knew that this entire time. 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Two can play at that game

👆

Originally posted by ODG
^ There is no game. It's just you refusing to back your own position.

You protest and insist that all pre-Crisis history is canon for current DC characters in a "single combined timeline." I direct you to actual currently published DC series like Batman/Superman: World's Finest that are spending entire issues retconning pre-Crisis history. You feebly cite sparsely scattered ads, easter eggs, tweets, etc. that aren't even current.

So we understand that you ignore currently published comics. Ok.

But then I give you multiple opportunities to simply expound your own position by applying your own analysis. I ask you to just provide a summary reconciliation of how pre-Crisis history applies to current Wonder Woman. And what do you do?

Flee. Run. Skedaddle. Retreat. Escape. Moan. Whine. B1tch. Troll.

All the time, acting like I won't accept your own analysis. Well you stupid schmuck, I am literally asking you to apply your own analysis to a single DC character and explain how it works. I think I've asked you half a dozen times now. So that makes you 6+ times b1tchmade.

Now you can keep trying to rewrite the course of this simple conversation but it's plainly obvious. You cannot even deign to champion your own position.

I am arguing against nothing. But I knew that this entire time. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I remember when Donald Blake was shown to have power as a creation of Odin, thus contradicting all of those early tales where he was a wimpy limpy human. Rage was not pleased.

Does this retcon mean all of Thor's early stories are moot or invalid? No.

Then they showed that Odin DOESN'T need to sleep to pass his power on to Thor. Another retcon. Again, this doesn't invalidate decades of comics. Rage and Sin....well, raged.

Then Mjolnir melted in the Sun. Thor was burning up etc. No invalidation. That's just a few contradictions - but it doesn't take over ENTIRE storyli, just patches over a couple of things here and there. Thor was still cast down to Earth to learn humility - but he did so in a vessel that had a portion of the Odinforce in it, he still has all of his striking feats with Mjolnir - but Mjolnir was sentient and has the Mother storm in it etc.

That's.....what's happening here with DC, no? It's all canon, EXCEPT for that patches that aren't?

Bottom line (let's not be coy and demure here), for abhi and qwerty, until PreCrisis feats are EXPLICITLY retconned ("he never actually sneezed a planet!"😉 it's canon.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I think retcons or writers simply ignore certain elements to tell a story is common in comics. For both Marvel and DC, like your example, and my and abhi Superman origins example, contradictions happen all this time.
I don't remember there are rules that say just because there are contradictions, then the entire era history is invalidated or something

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Pretty much. It's a patchwork of a story where certain newly told elements retcon/outright contradict old stories. 5% is new.

Doesn't mean the other 95% never happened.

Like I said before, you just repeating the same points that get countered. It's obvious you can't prove your position with explicit proofs and just pretend to have some legit points. Essentially, you just put your hands on your ears at this point

Originally posted by ODG
That's your problem right there.

Just shut up when you talk to me. 👆

Shut the phuck up, biatch.

Fantastic Four had another great little self-contained story. Its becoming one of my fav series from the Big 2 at the moment (and yes, Sue has another feat in it, but that's not the prime reason).

Insane feat for Batman, tbh. Whilst badly injured (after fighting off hundredS of thugs and being shot multiple times) he jumps in between a grenade launcher and Penguin, takes the explosion at point-blank, and isn't even KOd:

He's even able to get to the Batmobile, and drive off.

Luke

Holiday Special:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Insane feat for Batman, tbh. Whilst badly injured (after fighting off hundredS of thugs and being shot multiple times) he jumps in between a grenade launcher and Penguin, takes the explosion at point-blank, and isn't even KOd:

He's even able to get to the Batmobile, and drive off.

Yeah, that was awesome, so glad I picked it up, the Penguin has always been my favorite villain.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fantastic Four had another great little self-contained story. Its becoming one of my fav series from the Big 2 at the moment (and yes, Sue has another feat in it, but that's not the prime reason).

Agreed. Great story.

Johnny Storm can create entirely new wave-lengths of light as well.

And Reed is OP as hell. He creates a rocket ship from bronze-age level technology, and then quickly turns it into a time machine.

He then proceeds to put together some parts to create an alternate reality.

Reed's intelligence is OP as hell. He's basically Molecule Man with extra steps. Also, he's not just stretching anymore in traditional ways; he was able to see the cellular structure of fruits by focusing his eyes.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Agreed. Great story.

Johnny Storm can create entirely new wave-lengths of light as well.

And Reed is OP as hell. He creates a rocket ship from bronze-age level technology, and then quickly turns it into a time machine.

He then proceeds to put together some parts to create an alternate reality.

Reed's intelligence is OP as hell. He's basically Molecule Man with extra steps. Also, he's not just stretching anymore in traditional ways; he was able to see the cellular structure of fruits by focusing his eyes.

Yeah, plus Susan can......sense EM energy patterns now. All of them are getting upgrades (apart from poor Ben). Reed can stretch over a city block or whatever, covering a stadium from vampires, Johnny is effectively a fire based GL with his constructs, Susan was shielding them from hundreds of (full size this time!) nukes .....

Thousands* of nukes.

Ben would need to be upgraded to Hulk level to keep up.