Nitro's blast, not lava. I was mixing up instances.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85yeah, idk
I understand if the gap between bones is so minute that severing them with a blade is nigh impossible, but tearing them apart should be nothing.
do we think Deathstrike meant this literally?
Originally posted by Smurph
Nitro's blast, not lava. I was mixing up instances.yeah, idk
do we think Deathstrike meant this literally?
I don't think so - she doesn't fight like that (tearing people apart like a wendigo or Sentry) plus she has a blade.
He can still have his jaw dislocated, for example:
And gorillas did this to him (so directly countering Carver's scans):
https://imgur.com/7pwX0CJ
Plus of course, this (for those of us who forgot about it):
Literally explains that his joints are meat, as I said.
So alt Colossus doing what 616 Hulk/Dracula failed to do, isn't PIS - IMO it is the reverse that is PIS, i.e. Drac should have been able to pop his arms off. Hulk is a different matter, as he's holding and pulling on the razor sharp claws.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, generally comics have an explanation, so it's not just me being sillyHow does a man fly? He's Kryptonian, has extra organs, metabolises sunlight, whatever. There's an explanation.
How does a woman control the weather? Her genes have a mutation enabling this. There is an explanation.
How is a human guy an Olympic level weightlifter/marathon runner/sprinter/gymnast? He has special training/a 5D imp watches over him. There is an explanation.
But with Wolverine's joints? It sounds like there is no explanation, they just talk about the bones and that's it.
I understand if the gap between bones is so minute that severing them with a blade is nigh impossible, but tearing them apart should be nothing.
Yeah, that last scan is the scan that we discussed back in January when we talked about how his joints can now tear apart. Stilt posted another example where he said that he couldn't tear off his wrist while he had adamantium in.
I don't think the more current showings prove that the previous ones were PIS. Just works differently now. Not sure why it matters though.
Then there's whatshisface being unable to cut through his spinal cord with an adamantium buzz saw. Silver Samurai failing with his tachyon blade.
The various illustrations of how his skeleton is supposed to work and artist inconsistency. The fact that his healing factor supposedly changes the adamantium at a molecular level so that his skeletal functions still work.
What we know is that Wolverine is a scientific mystery. But it's clear that the Adamantium skeleton used to prevent him from losing limbs or his head, and that's no longer the way it works.
Originally posted by Smurph
Then there's whatshisface being unable to cut through his spinal cord with an adamantium buzz saw. Silver Samurai failing with his tachyon blade.The various illustrations of how his skeleton is supposed to work and artist inconsistency. The fact that his healing factor supposedly changes the adamantium at a molecular level so that his skeletal functions still work.
What we know is that Wolverine is a scientific mystery. But it's clear that the Adamantium skeleton used to prevent him from losing limbs or his head, and that's no longer the way it works.
Eh they were literally holding him down trying to cut his spinal cord
https://imgur.com/wolverine-2003-46-vrx69UB
https://imgur.com/wolverine-2003-47-cPcCz52
Limbs stay attached as a skeleton after being nuked
https://imgur.com/a/wolv-nuke-logan-2008-2-rxfUN
And again https://imgur.com/a/wolv-blasted-by-genocide-uncanny-x-force-2010-14-16-gE2jX
And again (actually moving his hand here) https://imgur.com/7DtbhNS
Then there's the Nitro feat and how his skeleton was depicted on that cover:
https://imgur.com/SDm7fj0
Cover
More stuff about how his head can't detach
https://imgur.com/a/wolv-vs-fury-astonishing-x-men-xenogensis-2011-4-5-7us6y
Banner said the skeleton meant Skaar couldn't kill him. WWH said the same thing.
It was the pretty consistent depiction until recently.
Originally posted by Smurph
Eh they were literally holding him down trying to cut his spinal cordhttps://imgur.com/wolverine-2003-46-vrx69UB
https://imgur.com/wolverine-2003-47-cPcCz52Limbs stay attached as a skeleton after being nuked
https://imgur.com/a/wolv-nuke-logan-2008-2-rxfUNAnd again https://imgur.com/a/wolv-blasted-by-genocide-uncanny-x-force-2010-14-16-gE2jX
And again (actually moving his hand here) https://imgur.com/7DtbhNS
Then there's the Nitro feat and how his skeleton was depicted on that cover:
https://imgur.com/SDm7fj0
CoverMore stuff about how his head can't detach
https://imgur.com/a/wolv-vs-fury-astonishing-x-men-xenogensis-2011-4-5-7us6yBanner said the skeleton meant Skaar couldn't kill him. WWH said the same thing.
It was the pretty consistent depiction until recently.
Yeah but he's not immobile - he's still straining and wriggling around, which would make getting a cut between bones pretty damn difficult and very easy to accidentally hit adamantium bone.
I mean, that's one reason why surgeons put you under lol.
I don't mind if comics have actually got a reason for it, even if it's quadi sci-fi magical hocus pocus. But it sounds like there isn't.
Yeah I can agree it's dumb and the updated depiction is fine. I don't need Wolverine to be that much of a terminator. My point is just that it is an update - he used to be able to still move his hand after falling into lava, presumably now the hand would just detach at the joint.
Easy enough to reconcile the change, what with all the reincarnations.
Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...How does Orion destroy a solar system should also be questioned as well, but per your word, when was it said that something happening one time isn't valid. Darksaint. Anyways, Wolverine is unbreakable. The showing stands
Well no, it's not the same. I can walk you through it if you like, and no it's not bias.
Logan literally explains it for you:
Literally. And weren't you the one who was all about more recent scans? You posting old ass scans doesn't help 😂
Mine's from Jan 2024 (the end, so I could actually argue it's Feb 2024 lol).
And Orion explains that he can't break out of a titanium cube, but i am supposed to accept him deatroying a solar system? The math isn't matching. We have too many showings of Wolverine not breaking, even at the tendon. I also have a lot of scans of Superman failing to lift things above 80,000 tons and saying he can't lift it.
Originally posted by carver9
And Orion explains that he can't break out of a titanium cube, but i am supposed to accept him deatroying a solar system? The math isn't matching. We have too many showings of Wolverine not breaking, even at the tendon. I also have a lot of scans of Superman failing to lift things above 80,000 tons and saying he can't lift it.
You are conflating low showings with completely different (lack of) explanations, though. The two are not comparable.
Are you saying that my scan is a low showing? That Wolverine having fleshy meaty tendons is a low showing?
If yes, then we can discuss. If no, then you can't compare your character examples to Wolverine.
That's the thing, it's not a low showing. In none of the previous showings throughout his entire history (as shown by Smurph) he has never shown tendons or ligaments that are any tougher than normal.
All the scans show his SKELETON is tougher, yes. But everytime his tendons are mentioned, they are consistently shown to be weaker.thsn adamantium.
Consistently..
Here's an album:
https://imgur.com/a/wolv-damage-to-tendons-various-ByCuTsN
If you had any showings where his tendons are explicitly said to be adamantium coated or whatever, THEN my scans are low showings. But you don't, and you know it.
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