Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So your reply is basically "trust me, bro, I know better, just takes my words for it"

I mean, that really isn't a convincing argument

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also.....did ODG not know the fact that Golden Age comics don't necessarily mean WW2 comics? Especially in Superman/Batman cases

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you get that idea from? Earth one and New Earth history was merged.

You have been proven wrong multiple times by qwerty, time to let it go dumb guy.

If you want to pretend to have not followed the course of our conversation, np. It happens all the time. But any reticence in acknowledging that we agree with each other and disagree with qwertyuiop1998 that all of Superman's history has been combined into a single timeline for current Superman is rather weak. So do yourself a favor and bow out before you have to start advocating for the absurd.

Especially in the face of New History of the DC Universe #1. You may leave.

Originally posted by ODG
I'm merely citing the comic that was just released that just portrayed the current DC timeline through WW2. It's on you to accept the comic or not. So far, you've just clung to throwaway taglines and writer interviews that are now outdated and contradicted by 100s of DC comics post-Death Metal. So you admit that no Golden Age pre-Crisis Superman & Batman comics that clearly occur during WW2 are reintegrated into current Superman & Batman histories? That's a start. Hey, mang, you're evolving! That idea was qwertyuiop1998's. It's what we've been discussing. But you and I clearly agree that Golden Age pre-Crisis WW2 era Superman remains Earth-2 Kal-L's history and not current Superman Kal-El's history. Much to the chagrin of qwertyuiop1998.

If you want to pretend to have not followed the course of our conversation, np. It happens all the time. But any reticence in acknowledging that we agree with each other and disagree with qwertyuiop1998 that all of Superman's history has been combined into a single timeline for current Superman is rather weak. So do yourself a favor and bow out before you have to start advocating for the absurd.

Especially in the face of New History of the DC Universe #1. You may leave.

As for the WW2 argument, like I said before

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And the issue features the original Superman literally cited in the instance you brought up(Action Comics 1).
So publishing date doesn't matter, then you got basically no certain proofs for any stories that published in pre-crisis aren't canon, as
1) Some stories don't really have in-universe specific date
2) It hard to tell whether the stories' date is the case of sliding timescale or not

That is the thing...your so called on panel proofs...simply don't exist. At best, you just gave your interpretation, but there are other interpretations(like mine and DS'😉 that lean towards what the writer said

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

2) How many stories in pre-crisis can you *absolutely* certain that occured before WW2, since the publishing date isn't in line with the in-universe date?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Where does the timeline explicitly dismiss Death Metal? Scans?

As for the WW2 argument, like I said before

But I think we both know that you realize the simple truth of the matter. But you're impotently denying it publicly and wriggling like a worm. Thing is, it's not my fault. This is just the comics. So you don't have to accept that I was "right". Because this isn't an argument anymore. Maybe if you can just step outside your own ego for a second, you'd understand that we're just discussing the comic.

While you may be taking this personally against me, maybe find solace in what a wise man once said:

Originally posted by

Spoiler:
DarkSaint85

It's just writer inconsistency, but feats always trumped statements, and new information always trumped old.

Originally posted by ODG
fortifies the established retcon that all Golden Age pre-Crisis Superman history is relegated to Earth-2 Kal-L.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except the citations the timeline made are pre-crisis comics? Including the instances you mentioned, which are MMH's appearance on Earth and Krypton explodes
They are both specifically attributed to
1)Detective Comics 225(1955, https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Detective_Comics_Vol_1_225)
2) Action Comics 1(1938)
https://ibb.co/GQsJHCsp

Edit:
Also I like how the "wise man"(as you call him) also said

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jesus.

History of DC confirms what many of us have been saying. It's all canon - Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, Rebirth etc etc.

Everything counts.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ehhh, except in the very same issue, Superman's first appearance, Action Comics(1938) 1(which is in Golden Age), also explicitly refers here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
WW2 Superman was always Kal-L, Earth two Superman even in pre crisis era

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Edit:
Also I like how the "wise man"(as you call him) also said

That was a thinly veiled jab that both he and you are being hypocritical c#nts that are butthurt over the new DC timeline that is being plainly presented right now by Mark Waid. I didn't make the new DC timeline. DC did.

And frankly, it's also largely in line with what all the DC comics that were published in the wake of Death Metal were doing. So, yea.

Originally posted by ODG
Go argue with abhilegend via PMs or internal monologue, pal:

Originally posted by ODG
Yes, I know.

That was a thinly veiled jab that both he and you are being hypocritical c#nts that are butthurt over the new DC timeline that is being plainly presented right now by Mark Waid. I didn't make the new DC timeline. DC did.

And frankly, it's also largely in line with what all the DC comics that were published in the wake of Death Metal were doing. So, yea.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you get that idea from? Earth one and New Earth history was merged.

You have been proven wrong multiple times by qwerty, time to let it go dumb guy.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
What I'm arguing with Abhi? I mean, Abhi literally says you've been proven wrong by me

You can pretend to have twisted things up in your own head so much that you cannot follow simple discourse. But I don't think you're that stupid. You're hopeless, yes. But you're not stupid. You'd rather feign befuddlement and sow confusion by repeatedly spamming strawmans rather than just admit the obvious. Its trolling. It's quanlite. And it just increases your own self-inflicted embarrassment. Not my first rodeo, pal.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Which...doesn't really look good for you, as there is only you keep saying the New History of DCU proves your point, but the other people you quoted, DS(the wise man as you call him), Abhi both made the opposite conclusion
Hell, Abhi literally says you have been proven wrong by me multiple times lol

But far be it from me to prevent you three and MrMind from circle-jerking each other. Ya'll acting like you aren't falling over each other and contradicting your own reasoning and each other's reasoning. Simply because you are so spiteful towards me that you cannot countenance admitting defeat. Even though it's not me you're arguing with. You're just arguing with the plain presentation of New History of the DC Universe #1.

Originally posted by ODG
abhilegend and I both agree that WW2 Superman remains Earth-2 Superman Kal-L. Decidedly not part of current Superman's history/continuity. Despite everything you insist that Death Metal's throwaway tagline meant. Accordingly, your insistence that all of Superman's Golden Age history was reintegrated into current Superman's history is false. It wasn't. Even abhilegend agrees with me and disagrees with you.

You can pretend to have twisted things up in your own head so much that you cannot follow simple discourse. But I don't think you're that stupid. You're hopeless, yes. But you're not stupid. You'd rather feign confusion rather than just admit the obvious. Its trolling. It's quanlite. And it just increases your own self-inflicted embarrassment. Not my first rodeo, pal. You tried to make a plea to majority but ended up making a plea of poverty. Good lord. You and your peanut gallery being repeatedly called out on your hypocrisies to avoid the plain presentation of New History of the DC Universe #1 is an indictment of you guys.

But far be it from me to prevent you three and MrMind from circle-jerking each other acting like you aren't falling over each other and contradicting your own reasoning and each other's reasoning because you are so spiteful towards me that you cannot countenance admitting defeat. Even though it's not me you're arguing with. You're jjust arguing with the plain presentation of New History of the DC Universe #1.

Which is pretty important, as you seem on the wrong assumption that all Golden Age stories about Superman are Earth-2 Kal-L.
If you can understand that, then you would understand what I said didn't really contradict what Abhi said

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ehhh, let me ask the question I asked before
did you not know the fact that Golden Age comics don't necessarily mean WW2 comics? Especially in Superman/Batman cases

That's great! Just reaffirm that notion that both abhilegend and I agree on. And I am 100% happy to move on to whatever deplorably dumb strawman you'll rely on thereafter.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Which is pretty important, as you seem on the wrong assumption that all Golden Age stories about Superman is Earth-2 Kal-L.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If you can understand that, then you would understand what I said didn't really contradict what Abhi said

Originally posted by ODG
Oh, so you admit that Golden Age pre-Crisis Superman's WW2 history was not reintegrated into current Superman's history?

That's great! Just reaffirm that notion that both abhilegend and I agree on. And I am 100% happy to move on to whatever deplorably dumb strawman you'll rely on thereafter. Oh, not the case at all. And nobody forced you to make such absolute claims over how far we should interpret Death Metal's throwaway tagline. That's great! Just reaffirm that notion that both abhilegend and I agree on. And I am 100% happy to move on to whatever deplorably dumb strawman you'll rely on thereafter.

Originally posted by ODG
That's your strawman. What the timeline does is explicitly dismiss current Superman's original emergence during WW2 and fortifies the established retcon that all Golden Age pre-Crisis Superman history is relegated to Earth-2 Kal-L.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like the clockwork, ODG appears to spew his BS lol

Originally posted by abhilegend

Your tendency to nitpick everything to its tiniest bits and declare it non canon despite multiple sources saying that is ****ing hilarious. You're dumb.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You have been proven wrong multiple times by qwerty, time to let it go dumb guy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jesus.

History of DC confirms what many of us have been saying. It's all canon - Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, Rebirth etc etc.

Everything counts.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yea, the timeline in the last part including Action Comics 1(where Krypton explodes), DC Special Series, Super Friends, DC Comics Presents etc(pre-crisis), and recent like Doomsday Clock or Stargirl The Last Children etc
https://ibb.co/yFd67Y15
https://ibb.co/8LJ3P1D1
https://ibb.co/ccG5Xjwc
https://ibb.co/v4g9kyvD
https://ibb.co/rft5WgJ8
https://ibb.co/xqB693ny
https://ibb.co/GQJHm5Vb

Originally posted by abhilegend
That dumb idiot would still not accept it.

I mean...it really seems you just simply don't know Superman's history, hence you made the wrong assumption about Golden Age Superman and thought it's something new way to prove your point

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ehh, you initially said *all* Golden Age Pre-Crisis Superman history is Earth-2 Kal-L, which can hardly be called a strawman[

Like how many things can you name that both abhilegend and I agree on? Are you squirming? Or are you on the full-on sh1tting your diapers stage at this point?

Funny how you cannot admit that Golden Age pre-Crisis Superman's WW2 history was not reintegrated into current Superman's history despite all your protests about Death Metal. Sad.

I dunno. Maybe pin your hopes on New History of the DC Universe #2 retconning issue #1. 😂

Originally posted by ODG
I never said that at all.

Originally posted by ODG
What the timeline does is explicitly dismiss current Superman's original emergence during WW2 and fortifies the established retcon that all Golden Age pre-Crisis Superman history is relegated to Earth-2 Kal-L

^ Oh that's just hasty typing. I was referring to WW2 history. I can make the argument for further non-WW2 history but I meant WW2 history there.

oh hell yeah wally about to face the shade

AOA Poccy tearing shit up

just once I wanna see Creed punking Logan, just once. also Blink need to sit on my face and poop in my mouth

What does Time Trapper want with World Forger?

Originally posted by carver9
What does Time Trapper want with World Forger?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Another year, another crisis, the one to end all time!!!

The fact that WF doesn't already know what's going on with Hypertime annoys me more than it should, given his status... He definitely shouldn't need to go to Doom-Trapper for answers. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
The fact that WF doesn't already know what's going on with Hypertime annoys me more than it should, given his status... He definitely shouldn't need to go to Doom-Trapper for answers. ermm

Edit:
Though a bit stretch explanation is it could be that TT knows the name of World Forger, but never actually meets him in person