Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I also read quite a lot of DC comics after Death Metal...And I actually can cite certain comics to reinforce my point
In Superman Red/Blue, Superman remembered WF 192-193(1970)
https://ibb.co/vCvrcp4D

Green Lantern / Green Arrow: World's Finest, Deathstroke's story directly continued in TNTT(1980)
https://ibb.co/XxdVNpWG

Black Adam's issue directly refers a story from Golden Age comics(All-American Comics Vol 1 26, 1941)
https://i.ibb.co/hLfDghj/Black-Adam-2022-005-003.jpg

In the recent Blue Beetle run(after Death Metal) also refers both Pre-crisis and N52 comics
https://ibb.co/HfSpGX9R

In New Golden Age, it mentions event in 1976 comic(all star comics 61)
https://ibb.co/BV44vqBN

All of them with explicit editor notes

So instead of the citations within the pages of New History of the DC Universe #1, you think relying on other citations in older, unrelated comics somehow override the plain presentation of the current DC timeline being presented before us in New History of the DC Universe #1? That they somehow make Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen part of America's Greatest Generation despite every comic published post-Death Metal.

That certainly is a choice of strategy. Not a winning one, son.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also, like I said before, your interpretation about the New History of DCU doesn't really seem to in line with other people

Or in line with the recent DC editorial, in that matter.....

You keep trying to invoke some arbitrary notion of DC editorial and ironically fail to realize that DC editorial signed off on what Mark Waid is doing right now. Are you being ignorant or obtuse?

Doesn't really matter anymore. I think we all know someone's butt is being hurt right now by New History of the DC Universe #1. Definitely ain't me.

Originally posted by MrMind
Dan Didio and Jim Lee could both come out and tell ODG in person everything in dc history is canon and ODG would still say no.

Originally posted by MrMind
there's no point in arguing

Originally posted by ODG
You're chasing your own tail in circles. Explains the impotent strawmans. I've already ridiculed your selective uses of citations as conflating publishing date with canon historicity in contravention of this clearly presented timeline in a published DC comic that is quite literally titled: New History of the DC Universe #1.

So instead of the citations within the pages of New History of the DC Universe #1, you think relying on other citations in older, unrelated comics somehow override the plain presentation of the current DC timeline being presented before us in New History of the DC Universe #1? That they somehow make Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen part of America's Greatest Generation despite every comic published post-Death Metal.

That certainly is a choice of strategy. Not a winning one, son. Because self-referencing yourself and the usual KMC peanut gallery ought to override what's being plainly portrayed within the pages of New History of the DC Universe #1. Sure.

You keep trying to invoke some arbitrary notion of DC editorial and ironically fail to realize that DC editorial signed off on what Mark Waid is doing right now. Are you being ignorant or obtuse?

Doesn't really matter anymore. I think we all know someone's butt is being hurt right now by New History of the DC Universe #1. Definitely ain't me.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also the writer's posts on Tumblr said when she asked the editorial, they said now everything counts, everything is potentially on the table, and Supergirl is the same Supergirl who died in COIE(Kara also has memories of Pre-Crisis)
https://ibb.co/9kNYF5rX
https://www.tumblr.com/mooncalfe-art/778656047202205696/im-not-sure-if-you-can-answer-this-but-i-was

She also brought back Clarissa Giltedge, whom the writer explicitly confirmed is the same character from 1962(on sale date)'s Action Comics 296 on the DC official website
https://ibb.co/kg79N6kn

https://ibb.co/qF9RfSgK
https://ibb.co/MDmj3TPR
https://ibb.co/Pvm1XStf

https://www.dc.com/blog/2025/05/13/back-to-midvale-sophie-campbell-brightens-things-up-with-supergirl

In this issue, Kara also mentioned she was once on the show Secret Hearts, and was a camera operator
https://ibb.co/XrV73xQy

Supergirl was an actress on the show Secret Hearts in Superman-Family 208(1981)
https://ibb.co/DHk7SXkq

A camera operator for KSF-TV in her Adventure Comics, which lasts to 424(1972)
https://ibb.co/jZPT3JxZ
https://ibb.co/VyRPVgC
https://ibb.co/rGBcPdSm
"Occupation:....TV camera operator"
https://ibb.co/Q3bmv8vR

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

It's directly stated in the comics that is the intention, like in Justice League (2018) 46
https://ibb.co/994GLbFC

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

It's directly in line with what the writer(s), the editorial said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAGmBZPhdQ&t=4648s

Originally posted by ODG
In a fit of irony, you do not realize that Mark Waid has just released a comic that did exactly the opposite and you guys still say no. 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Including referring to the actual DC writer(and her editorial)?

Or the guy who wrote Death Metal?

Like...what are your *explicitly* proofs that dismiss Death Metal, aside from *your* own interpretations, which aren't in line with many people, including the official DC writers/editors?

And the more ironic part is, this claim you made doesn't really appear in the actual comic...and other people have different opinions from your interpretation

Neither do they override hundreds of post-Death Metal comics that were published that didn't actually follow through with reintegrating Golden Age history or Silver Age history back into the characters. So if all those comics and New History of the DC Universe #1 upsets you that much, I dunno...

... maybe wait for another throwaway tagline to hang your hat on! 😂

Originally posted by ODG
Writer interviews don't override on-panel evidence. I mean, if you want to pretend New History of the DC Universe #1 doesn't exist, fine.

Let alone the hundreds of post-Death Metal comics that were published that didn't actually follow through with reintegrating Golden Age history or Silver Age history back into the characters, fine. If New History of the DC Universe #1 upsets you that much, I dunno...

... maybe wait for another throwaway tagline to hang your hat on! 😂

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
1) That isn't just a case of proving a negative, it's because there are proofs/evidence that directly contradicts your interpretation
It's on panel states all history become one
https://ibb.co/1GcTdg12
https://ibb.co/4wZtBY3N

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jesus.

History of DC confirms what many of us have been saying. It's all canon - Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, Rebirth etc etc.

Everything counts.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yea, the timeline in the last part including Action Comics 1(where Krypton explodes), DC Special Series, Super Friends, DC Comics Presents etc(pre-crisis), and recent like Doomsday Clock or Stargirl The Last Children etc
https://ibb.co/yFd67Y15
https://ibb.co/8LJ3P1D1
https://ibb.co/ccG5Xjwc
https://ibb.co/v4g9kyvD
https://ibb.co/rft5WgJ8
https://ibb.co/xqB693ny
https://ibb.co/GQJHm5Vb

^ The impotent strawmans aside, seems you really hate the plainly presented new DC timeline being portrayed in New History of the DC Universe #1.

Query: how does your disappointment measure against every single new post-Death Metal DC comic that was published that didn't actually follow through with reintegrating Golden Age history or Silver Age history back into the characters?

Did each post-Death Metal DC comic break your spirit little by little? Did every new Superman comic that didn't revisit his Golden Age emergence during WW2 or chronicle Lois Lane's involvement as part of America's Greatest Generation crush you? To the point you resorted to mining their depths for random citations and editorial notes to preserve any hope that Golden Age and Silver Age history was perfectly preserved/reintegrated into all the DC characters?

If all those comics and the current New History of the DC Universe #1 hadn't broken you, I applaud your spirit. While simultaneously pitying your wasted effort. And ridiculing your immature transparent motivations.

I am, however, done dignifying this as if it were an argument. You're delusional. And you cannot discuss this honestly. Not even in the face of a newly published comic that literally lays out the DC timeline chronologically.

Originally posted by ODG
^ The impotent strawmans aside, seems you really hate the plainly presented new DC timeline being portrayed in New History of the DC Universe #1.

Query: how does your disappointment measure against every single new post-Death Metal DC comic that was published that didn't actually follow through with reintegrating Golden Age history or Silver Age history back into the characters?

Did each post-Death Metal DC comic break your spirit little by little? To the point you resorted to mining their depths for random citations and editorial notes to preserve any hope that Golden Age and Silver Age history was perfectly preserved/reintegrated into all the DC characters?

If all those comics and the current New History of the DC Universe #1 hasn't broken your spirit yet, I applaud your spirit while simultaneously pitying your wasted effort and ridiculing your transparent motivations.

I am, however, done dignifying this as if it were an argument. You're delusional. And you cannot discuss this honestly. Not even in the face of a newly published comic that literally lays out the DC timeline chronologically.

1)On-panel scene that explicitly contradicts the claim
2)Other official material(bios, DC Connect, extra pages on comics) explicitly contradicts that claim
3)The writer who wrote Death Metal, and the recent writer/editorial(around the time of New History of DCU) explicitly contradict that claim
4)Other people read the same comic you keep bringing up, and arrived the completely opposite conclusion, and it isn't just me

I mean...it really seems *you* are the delusional one, who likes to project his own thoughts as explicit proofs

Like the clockwork, ODG appears to spew his BS lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like the clockwork, ODG appears to spew his BS lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
That dumb idiot would still not accept it.

Originally posted by ODG

Even in the timeline at the back, it's insinuating that Krypton exploded after J'onn J'onzz appears on Earth.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except the citations the timeline made are pre-crisis comics? Including the instances you mentioned, which are MMH's appearance on Earth and Krypton explodes
They are both specifically attributed to
1)Detective Comics 225(1955, https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Detective_Comics_Vol_1_225)
2) Action Comics 1(1938)
https://ibb.co/GQsJHCsp

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It's...quite ironic for someone who can't bring an explicit proof

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like the clockwork, ODG appears to spew his BS lol

... even though a current on-panel DC timeline is being published right now in an actual comic that focuses entirely on the timeline aspect of DC history that conspicuously and completely leaves Superman out of the WW2 era?

I know you won't accept it, let alone admit it. But hey mang, I'm just reading the comic.

So cast your aspersions inward. 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
just turns around to the completely opposite conclusion from the same comic

Originally posted by ODG
New History of the DC Universe #1??? Might wanna read it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jesus.

History of DC confirms what many of us have been saying. It's all canon - Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, Rebirth etc etc.

Everything counts.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yea, the timeline in the last part including Action Comics 1(where Krypton explodes), DC Special Series, Super Friends, DC Comics Presents etc(pre-crisis), and recent like Doomsday Clock or Stargirl The Last Children etc
https://ibb.co/yFd67Y15
https://ibb.co/8LJ3P1D1
https://ibb.co/ccG5Xjwc
https://ibb.co/v4g9kyvD
https://ibb.co/rft5WgJ8
https://ibb.co/xqB693ny
https://ibb.co/GQJHm5Vb

I mean, Abhi may be a biased poster here, but the same also can be said to your interpretation....it isn't really in the comic, certainly not a explicit proof

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes I read it, DS read it. And we both arrived on the completely opposite conclusion from yours

Originally posted by ODG
New History of the DC Universe #1??? Might wanna read it. Just came out! So you believe pre-Crisis Superman's WW2 history during his Golden Age was reintegrated into the current DC timeline based on a throwaway tagline...

WW2 Superman was always Kal-L, Earth two Superman even in pre crisis era.

... even though a current on-panel DC timeline is being published right now in an actual comic that focuses entirely on the timeline aspect of DC history that conspicuously and completely leaves Superman out of the WW2 era?

I know you won't accept it, let alone admit it. But hey mang, I'm just reading the comic.

So cast your aspersions inward. 👆 kinda

Your tendency to nitpick everything to its tiniest bits and declare it non canon despite multiple sources saying that is ****ing hilarious. You're dumb.

Originally posted by ODG
Were you both blindfolded at the time?

Originally posted by abhilegend
WW2 Superman was always Kal-L, Earth two Superman even in pre crisis era.

We have nothing to argue about then. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your tendency to nitpick everything to its tiniest bits and declare it non canon despite multiple sources saying that is ****ing hilarious. You're dumb.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So enlightens me? Where is the *explicit* proof? I keep asking the same question

Originally posted by ODG
Maybe read comics, pal. Or PM abhilegend for his take. That's if you guys can keep from tripping over each other and yourselves for a rather plainly presented comic.

I mean, that really isn't a convincing argument

Also.....did ODG not know the fact that Golden Age comics don't necessarily mean WW2 comics? Especially in Superman/Batman cases

Originally posted by ODG
Oh, so you disagree with qwertyuiop1998 that Death Metal resulted in all of Superman's history being conglomerated into a single timeline such that Golden Age Superman adventures were canon to current Superman? Cool. I had hoped that delusion was limited to qwertyuiop1998.

Where did you get that idea from? Earth one and New Earth history was merged.

We have nothing to argue about then. 👆 qwertyuiop1998's the one selectively picking out isolated citations and editorial notes in contravention of an entire comic that displays the current DC timeline, mang. So if you can't turn your aspersions inward, turn them onto him. Maybe read comics, pal. Or PM abhilegend for his take. That's if you guys can keep from tripping over each other and yourselves when discussing a rather plainly presented comic that was just published that uncontroversially portrays the current DC timeline.

You have been proven wrong multiple times by qwerty, time to let it go dumb guy.

It's been what, a year now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you get that idea from? Earth one and New Earth history was merged.

You have been proven wrong multiple times by qwerty, time to let it go dumb guy.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also, just a reminder for my point 2, Golden Age stories don't necessarily take place before WW2.
Like in Action Comics #432, Superman(who also didn't experience WW2) recalls the first Toyman, with an editor note explicitly refers to Action 64(1943), a Golden Age comic
https://ibb.co/gMDRqhPt