Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by darthgoober
Think what you want, I'm just giving you the most obvious reading of the stuff you're posting.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Including this part?
"*It's all one big continuity*......Death Metal to me was about saying that everything in DC continuity has happened.....there's no story now that's out of continuity. If it was on antoher world like Red Son then it's not part of Superman's memory because it didn't happen to him it's an elseworld story. But *if it happened in the main books it happened*"
How do you interpret it?

Don't get me wrong because it's 100% DCs legal right to make such a ridiculous declaration with their own intellectual property, but since it would make debating anything involving DC impossibly convoluted the universe should probably be banned from battle boards altogether.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's because originally Else Worlds originally existed as something separate while DC denied having a multiverse. Everything your posting really just seems to indicate that they're saying PC DC and Hypertime simply exist as part of what DC now recognizes as part of the canon multiverse

hypertime was always part of dc bigger multiverse this has been the case since the 90s, im now sure how many times this has been posted. you marvel fanboys are so retarded for asking the same wrong question over and over again

rip hunter has explained dc has infinite universes decades ago
https://imgur.com/RCJAgGV

dc has even catogorized their space time into omniverse and hypertime

Originally posted by MrMind
hypertime was always part of dc bigger multiverse this has been the case since the 90s, im now sure how many times this has been posted. you marvel fanboys are so retarded for asking the same wrong question over and over again

rip hunter has explained dc has infinite universes decades ago
https://imgur.com/RCJAgGV

dc has even catogorized their space time into omniverse and hypertime

more hypertime make everything elseworld canon

morrison explaining hypertime
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Originally posted by darthgoober
That what it means to him is illogical. We saw Supes grow old on Earth 1, meet himself from Earth 2 and fight on the same side. Both were part of the main continuity during their eras, there's no logical way to say say that everything happened to Supes.

Don't get me wrong because it's 100% DCs legal right to make such a ridiculous declaration with their own intellectual property, but since it would make debating anything involving DC impossibly convoluted the universe should probably be banned from battle boards altogether.

Though I know it's kind of confusing in terms of what MrMind trying to argue, as he seems to argue two different concepts about what "everything is canon" means and posting different sources without specifically addressing which concept he was saying

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I just wanted to say not everything Mrmind posted is the previous hypertime/Multiverse thing. Some of them(at least, the Snyder one) are specifically address the main universe, not elseworlds etc

Though I know it's kind of confusing in terms of what MrMind trying to argue, as he seems to argue two different concepts about what "everything is canon" means and posting different sources without specifically addressing which concept he was saying

there are 2 points im addressing

1. everything is canon in dc so all elseworld stories and alternate versions of characters exist somewhere in the omniverse

2. main dc universe characters get all their feats since their memories are all restored

Originally posted by darthgoober
That what it means to him is illogical. We saw Supes grow old on Earth 1, meet himself from Earth 2 and fight on the same side. Both were part of the main continuity during their eras, there's no logical way to say say that everything happened to Supes.

Don't get me wrong because it's 100% DCs legal right to make such a ridiculous declaration with their own intellectual property, but since it would make debating anything involving DC impossibly convoluted the universe should probably be banned from battle boards altogether.

no you don't get to make the rules for battle board, as far as here and everywhere else credible forum concerned

dc characters are composite canon so cry about it more

also scott snyder addressed this part, watch the damn video around 1 hour 17 mins mark again, he addressed there's contradiction, and they are not making a timeline because it's impossible it's all over the place. you can't streamline 80 years of history into coherent , but all the continuity happened, there's no world out of continuity. it doesnt mean contradictory stories need to iron out. but beauty is everything is there for you to choose for, everything happened it's all available to you. it gives writer to all of the stuff to pick from. for the fans everything that you loved and read it matters and it exist,

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Originally posted by MrMind
no you don't get to make the rules for battle board, as far as here and everywhere else credible forum concerned

dc characters are composite canon so cry about it more

also scott snyder addressed this part, watch the damn video around 1 hour 17 mins mark again, he addressed there's contradiction, and they are not making a timeline because it's impossible it's all over the place. you can't streamline 80 years of history into coherent , but all the continuity happened, there's no world out of continuity. it doesnt mean contradictory stories need to iron out. but beauty is everything is there for you to choose for, everything happened it's all available to you. it gives writer to all of the stuff to pick from. for the fans everything that you loved and read it matters and it exist,

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there's also on panel evidence that elseworlds are one of the two new centers of the Omniverse. there are infinite multiverses in dc and elseworld stories exist in one of those other multiverse, all these multiverses co-exist in the larger infinite dc omniverse

Originally posted by MrMind
there's also on panel evidence that elseworlds are one of the two new centers of the Omniverse. there are infinite multiverses in dc and elseworld stories exist in one of those other multiverse, all these multiverses co-exist in the larger infinite dc omniverse

Originally posted by darthgoober
Who's insisting to you that Elseworlds aren't part of the current DC multiverse? I feel like you're arguing with a voice inside your head...

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's another problem of MrMind....like a lot of replies don't seem to be related to what someone else is saying
You can only decipher some meanings of what MrMind said by reading it mutiple times, unfortunately

im not just talking to darthgoober, im addressing all the issues that brought up by astner and odg and other marvel fanboys from over the years once and for all

by presenting all the evidences altogether, so this can be set in stone

hopefully galan can make it a forum rule that all dc characters history are composite and all elseworld stories are part of dc bigger multiverses thus canon

since all of this is true and confirmed by the heads of dc comics

Originally posted by MrMind
there are 2 points im addressing

1. everything is canon in dc so all elseworld stories and alternate versions of characters exist somewhere in the omniverse

2. main dc universe characters get all their feats since their memories are all restored

Yes, everything is canon in the sense that it exists somewhere in the omniverse. And yes, main dc characters represent their composite selves. But as long as we're saying that some things form the composite mainstream and others form the rest of the multiverse, we're left to determine the difference.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's another problem of MrMind....like a lot of replies don't seem to be related to what someone else is saying
You can only decipher some meanings of what MrMind said by reading it mutiple times, unfortunately

Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't get me wrong because it's 100% DCs legal right to make such a ridiculous declaration with their own intellectual property, but since it would make debating anything involving DC impossibly convoluted the universe should probably be banned from battle boards altogether.

hey qwerty, darthgoober want composite dc feats being banned from battle boards altogether, you agree with what he said? this is literally the opposite of what you and many others (including me) been arguing for over the years

he is obviously wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously

Originally posted by MrMind
im not just talking to darthgoober, im addressing all the issues that brought up by astner and odg and other marvel fanboys from over the years once and for all

by presenting all the evidences altogether, so this can be set in stone

hopefully galan can make it a forum rule that all dc characters history are composite and all elseworld stories are part of dc bigger multiverses thus canon

since all of this is true and confirmed by the heads of dc comics

Originally posted by MrMind
hey qwerty, darthgoober want composite dc feats being banned from battle boards altogether, you agree with what he said? this is literally the opposite of what you and many others (including me) been arguing for over the years

he is obviously wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously

Originally posted by Smurph
Thats all fine, but regarding point 2 (and specifically, "get all their feats"😉, the question remains which feats are theirs.

Yes, everything is canon in the sense that it exists somewhere in the omniverse. And yes, main dc characters represent their composite selves. But as long as we're saying that some things form the composite mainstream and others form the rest of the multiverse, we're left to determine the difference.

yes, if a thread is about wildstorm mr majesic, obviously only wildstorm earth 50 and his previous image era feats count for him, new52 majestic feats don't count for him. since they are 2 different characters

if a thread is about new52 grifter, then obviously only new52 grifter feats count for him and non of wildstorm version feats count for him. since they are 2 different characters

i think we are all veteran enough to be able to acknowledge the difference 👆

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not really agreeing with darthgoober, just that I don't think you're doing a good job to make your points obvious. You blended two different concepts with similar words so it's hard to tell what you're saying

how so? there are 3 points i been addressing from last page to this

1. everything is canon in dc so all elseworld stories and alternate versions of characters exist somewhere in the omniverse

2. main dc universe characters get all their feats since their memories are all restored, that mean pre-52, post 52, post flashpoint altogether

3. vertigo carey/gaiman cosmology is integrated to the main dc cosmology

and all 3 of these points are interconnected

it's just there are a lot of informations and i didn't organize it in a clean format so when you read it it looks messy, but the information i presented is absolutely correct

Originally posted by MrMind
hey qwerty, darthgoober want composite dc feats being banned from battle boards altogether, you agree with what he said? this is literally the opposite of what you and many others (including me) been arguing for over the years

he is obviously wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously

Originally posted by MrMind

it's just there are a lot of informations and i didn't organize it in a clean format so when you read it it looks messy