Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Started by Philosophía1,926 pages

There will be a fight, but the conflict won't be solved by that, thus nobody will actually 'win'.

They'll talk it out.

Superman will convince Manhattan to bring everything back since 1938.

a lot of battle forums are already denying what's going to happen

people are saying it will be another reboot instead of bringing everything back

I don't think the vs forums are ready to handle someone like Superman or The Flash having all their feats canon and available for them.

Originally posted by Philosophía
There will be a fight, but the conflict won't be solved by that, thus nobody will actually 'win'.

They'll talk it out.

Superman will convince Manhattan to bring everything back since 1938.

Yeah, definitely. Everything they've been saying for months now points towards a restoration.

Originally posted by Philosophía
There will be a fight, but the conflict won't be solved by that, thus nobody will actually 'win'.

They'll talk it out.

Superman will convince Manhattan to bring everything back since 1938.

That's what I'm hoping for, tbh.

But having Ozy still in the picture muddles things a bit...

We still don't know his goals, maybe...that's what he wants? He is, after all, for a better world -- and golden age/pre-crisis is quite similar to that.

One thing worrying me is that...I think this will be rushed/crammed in the final issue. Which is crazy, considering how long this series had.

Even if they go with a "two heroes get over their differences to fight the actual bad guy" thing, I still expect the timeline to be fixed tbh.

Originally posted by Phil
We still don't know his goals, maybe...that's what he wants? He is, after all, for a better world -- and golden age/pre-crisis is quite similar to that.

One thing worrying me is that...I think this will be rushed/crammed in the final issue. Which is crazy, considering how long this series had.

Yeah, Ozy has definitely set up the encounter between Superman and Manhattan:
https://i.imgur.com/6P2veQj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hFv0d11.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IF7C8dQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kt2ytIc.jpg

I think he undoubtedly knows what changes will come from a conflict between them(ie. "the past won't be erased"😉, and also knows that Superman is the key. My biggest question is if he's just going to sit back and let it unfold naturally, or if he's going to intervene in some way..?

Pretty sure I read that the last issue is going to be ~50pgs, so that's good. I'm sure it'll still feel rushed, though, which is absolutely retarded given that the majority of issues in this event have been uneventful filler. ermm

i interpreted it differently

With Superman dead, the multiverse would collapse. By setting up a scenario where Superman must fight DrManhattan, it would undoubtedly end in the death of Superman.

I think Ozy is banking on that idea. If Superman dies, the multiverse collapses, and MrManhattan must return to his own multiverse/universe having failed here.

It probably wont be a restoration. You can restore the time-line without ruining other established time lines

Superman couldn't have been a member of the JSA. He can't debut in 1938. Otherwise, he meets Louis Lane way too early; most of the cast would likely be dead before the current era

The best thing DDC will conclude is the N52 DCU. That totally muddled the time line.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
With Superman dead, the multiverse would collapse. By setting up a scenario where Superman must fight DrManhattan, it would undoubtedly end in the death of Superman.

I think Ozy is banking on that idea.

He's not, though:

I don't think he was referring to Dr.M when he said that. More the obstacles that get him to the point where he fights Dr.M. Like the bomb that went off from Firestorm

Just my interpretation as of now. Definitely could be wrong 😄

How does Ozy even know all of this stuff? I'm probably wrong but I didn't even think Superman existed in the watchmen universe.

Galan sent him a long PM, so he knows more than he needs to know.

That damn Galan, always ****ing with the multiverse.

What is the original comic that started tying these together?

If Manhattan destroys Superman and metaverse, it means collapse of everything in DC.
Is it literal confirmation that metaverse(and Superman) is the source of everything in DC. Is it correct?
So,DC cosmoloogy cosists of metaverse(source of entire cosmology) and multiverse(infinite number of universe) and hypertime(infinite number of multiverse) and dark multiverse(infinite possibility which doesn't even exist) and literal omniverse(infinite number of other company's stories which will be written)?

Tbh I hope it reestablishes DCs cosmology.

Which arc was better between Secret Wars and Crisis on Infinite Earths iyo

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
How does Ozy even know all of this stuff? I'm probably wrong but I didn't even think Superman existed in the watchmen universe.
Pretty sure he pieced it all together after coming to the mainstream universe/earth and examining its hero dynamic... Same as Manhattan.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What is the original comic that started tying these together?
DC Rebirth #1.

Originally posted by Galan007
examining its hero dynamic...

By reading the PM you sent him.

That, too. 👆

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Which arc was better between Secret Wars and Crisis on Infinite Earths iyo

SW was hot garbage.

COIE was slightly less steamy garbage. (And it forced the classic "Whatever Happened to The Man of Tomorrow into a non canon imaginary story. But it still happened to "a" Superman, so I consider that his definitive ending to the pre crisis era.)