Originally posted by Galan007
Agree with this 100%.Well put. 👆
Another way of looking at it simply...
Its the same way The Punisher needs to constantly shift. He's a Vietnam War vet...,..but since he ages in real time, he now needs to be a Gulf War vet. Constantine also ages in real time, so eventually he will need to shift.
This is Superman shifting, to always be relevant, to always have adventures with the humans around him. He will always have Lois, Pa and Ma, Jimmy will always be a teenager etc.
Originally posted by Galan007
Agree with this 100%.Well put. 👆
I think the superman part is covered pretty well
we know the new52 universe is a seperate universe, the pre-crisis universe is preserved as a seperate universe. earth-2 golden age universe seems like it's there also as seperate universe, was the pre-crisis multiverse brought back as well?
so my question is, the current mainstream timeline, is it post crisis+rebirth?
if so what about the 52 universes, are we using the 52 universes from multiversity?
because I remember the post crisis 52 universes are different, it even has wildstorm at earth 50. Funnily enough the wildstorm was brought up in the new timeline sheet DC is trying to push out
and it seems like in the future there will be another reboot where it will be earth 5g, and the setting now seems like after each reboot, the old universe stories basically happened in a seperate universe, they all exist in the multiverse. but past continuities are generally locked up and not used.
but the continuity has so many questions we don't know yet
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Another way of looking at it simply...Its the same way The Punisher needs to constantly shift. He's a Vietnam War vet...,..but since he ages in real time, he now needs to be a Gulf War vet. Constantine also ages in real time, so eventually he will need to shift.
This is Superman shifting, to always be relevant, to always have adventures with the humans around him. He will always have Lois, Pa and Ma, Jimmy will always be a teenager etc.
punisher is still a vietnam vet though, he's been resurrected enough for it to still be valid. the superman issue is different
If I'm getting DDC correctly it basically explains what Superman is and describe it as we reader see it happening. It seems to have been elegantly done.
But the real talent is building it as a metaphor: Doctor Manhattan is the Watchmen's Superman equivalent and he has lost his meaning. So his quest was literally solved when he figured out the meaning of being Superman. Elegant and logical.
Originally posted by Bentley
If I'm getting DDC correctly it basically explains what Superman is and describe it as we reader see it happening. It seems to have been elegantly done.But the real talent is building it as a metaphor: Doctor Manhattan is the Watchmen's Superman equivalent and he has lost his meaning. So his quest was literally solved when he figured out the meaning of being Superman. Elegant and logical.
he has Ozy to thank, the smartest man in DC, hands down
Originally posted by MrMindThe pre-crisis multiverse wasn't technically brought back, but characters/realities from the pre-crisis days were.
I think the superman part is covered pretty wellwe know the new52 universe is a seperate universe, the pre-crisis universe is preserved as a seperate universe. earth-2 golden age universe seems like it's there also as seperate universe, was the pre-crisis multiverse brought back as well?
Originally posted by MrMindRebirth still happened, so yeah, I'd say post-Crisis continuity is still meshed with the current mainstream reality... Especially in Superman's case.
so my question is, the current mainstream timeline, is it post crisis+rebirth?
Originally posted by MrMindEven though the heavy implication is that the DC multiverse has never reduced in size, and in fact has actually grown with each Crisis, it seems there are still 52 core/primary universes... Actually, 53 universes now.
if so what about the 52 universes, are we using the 52 universes from multiversity?
That said, Morrison's Map still applies, but with a few changes...
-The previous Earth-1:
https://i.imgur.com/l7gw0QD.jpg
Has been replaced by Earth-1985:
https://i.imgur.com/nuMrXe9.jpg
(which preserved pre-crisis continuity.)
-The previous Earth-2:
https://i.imgur.com/Lly18oa.jpg
Has potentially been replaced by 'classic' Earth-2:
https://i.imgur.com/JDQyXa2.jpg
(which preserved Golden Age continuity.)
-There is now an Earth/Universe-52:
https://i.imgur.com/5WWWUCW.jpg
(which preserved New52 continuity.)
-And the Watchmen universe is likely one of the Map's 7 "Unknown Worlds".
Originally posted by MrMindThe next undisclosed shift in the Metaverse happens sometime next year due to the shenanigans of the Old Gods. We don't know what changes that shift will bring, but as of now, no new earths/universes are 'scheduled' to pop-up until 2026... So there's no reason to factor in any of the future changes when discussing current cosmology. That's obviously a topic for another day.
and it seems like in the future there will be another reboot where it will be earth 5g, and the setting now seems like after each reboot, the old universe stories basically happened in a seperate universe, they all exist in the multiverse. but past continuities are generally locked up and not used.but the continuity has so many questions we don't know yet
If this series has taught us anything it's that the future is still malleable and fluid. The one and only constant is Superman.
Originally posted by LordGodAs a whole? Definitely not. The first 6 issues were still boring and almost entirely worthless, after all. The series didn't pick up until issue #7, when Manhattan finally entered the fray.
So what do you guys think? Is Doomsday Clock the best crisis type of event that DC's ever put out?
I will say that Doomsday Clock has one of the best conclusions to a major Crisis event that I've read, though.
Originally posted by MrMindDepending on what you want to say here, I think you got this backwards. The previous stories happened in the same Universe -- the Metaverse, to the same person. But after each Crisis, they are saved in an alternate Universe for preservation.
and it seems like in the future there will be another reboot where it will be earth 5g, and the setting now seems like after each reboot, the old universe stories basically happened in a seperate universe, they all exist in the multiverse. but past continuities are generally locked up and not used.
Think of it like this -- you are as you are right now, in our real world [call it metaverse]. Let's say that, at a press of a crisis-button, you can 'edit' your history. So, for example, the dog that died 10 years ago, if you press the button, he is now alive retroactively in the present day. But, at the same time, you want to have a backup for how your life was without your dog. So you have another button "Save As" that makes a backup for your life on Earth-2019. So you save it, and then you press the button that brings back your dog.
You are now, the same person, living a different 'time shifted/modified' life, while the previous history was saved. So, in essence, you're the same person who lived the life with the dog, without the dog, etc. But each of the previous iterations of your life [dog died, girlfriend didn't break up, etc.] that you lived [not an alternate version of you], are "Saved As" in the multiverse -- the 'memory box' I was talking about of the previous iterations of your life.
Originally posted by -Pr-When we have omnipotent beings coming down upon the Multiverse, looking at it, saying "This guy. He is the greatest antibody in the entire Creation and literally everything revolves around him being a constant on a metaversal level", it's probably a safe bet.
As much as I can appreciate what Johns did with Doomsday Clock, and as much as I can enjoy his meta-commentary...All it does is reinforce the idea that there's simply no point in Superman being in VS threads. So I think we were right in removing him before, tbh.
We've reached a point where "Superman will always win" is the most literally expressed concept in DC, across different writers, both as an abstract idea that always gets as powerful as he needs to be (Morrison) to the center-piece literal defender of the metaverse (Johns) -- the two most influential guys in DC, and then we have Snyder having him hop around the suns to one-shot trans-Hypertime beings.
The pre-crisis multiverse wasn't technically brought back, but characters/realities from the pre-crisis days were.
so basically just the pre-crisis earth one (bronze and silver age) and golden age earth two are brought back but the pre-crisis multiverse is still gone correct?
-The previous Earth-1:
https://i.imgur.com/l7gw0QD.jpgHas been replaced by Earth-1985:
https://i.imgur.com/nuMrXe9.jpg
(which preserved pre-crisis continuity.)
the earth-1 you referred to here, is this earth-one from pre-crisis, or earth-one from those superman batman graphic novel?
-The previous Earth-2:
https://i.imgur.com/Lly18oa.jpgHas potentially been replaced by 'classic' Earth-2:
https://i.imgur.com/JDQyXa2.jpg
(which preserved Golden Age continuity.)
that I have trouble believing but we shall see
