Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And futures, don't forget. As you said, everything was gone, except for those three things. At t=0.5 all futures, presents, everything was gone.
At t = 0.5 all was gone. At t = 2 not all was gone. So he did not destroy all at t = 2, only until t = 1.
Originally posted by MagnonHe didn't destroy just the present, he destroyed all of the future, too -- to the point where he literally removed color from the page:
You seem to think that destroying all of present somehow implies all of the future gets destroyed as well, but that is not the case.
What you're clumsily trying to say here is that since the future that we now now isn't on page [i.e. in 2020, for example], it means he didn't destroy this future -- but it did exist, since once he put everything back past/present/future, the Universe/Multiverse/Hypertime advanced as normal and it got to the current point. The present, future and past in DC exist simultaneously -- see Time Trapper, see Legion etc.
Originally posted by Magnon
No. (I added an edit but you had already replied.)At t = 0.5 all was gone. At t = 2 not all was gone. So he did not destroy all at t = 2, only until t = 1.
But at t=0.5, when he's talking, he has indeed destroyed EVERYTHING, as per your words:
Originally posted by Magnon
Correct, if we assume Mxy destroyed everything else at t = 0. (And for the sake of argument, let us indeed assume so.)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But at t=0.5, when he's talking, he has indeed destroyed EVERYTHING, as per your words:
Originally posted by Magnon
Yes, everything at the time-point t=0.5 is destroyed/non-existent. This is exactly what I meant earlier when I said that everything being destroyed/non-existent at *present* does not mean everything remains destroyed/non-existent in the *future*. Whether stuff exists at t=2 depends ONLY on whether stuff exists at t=2. It's really simple.
Everything does not mean everything?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Everything does not mean everything?
This is getting silly. People are basically saying that 0 = 1 so that they can claim Mxy didn't exaggerate with his statement. Destroying all for a short period of time isn't good enough a feat for you?
Anyways, I'm off for now.
Originally posted by Magnon.....what? They exist on the same axis -- of time. Past/Present/Future. They're simultaneous. Not simultaneous as in all future is present [wtf....?], simultaneous as in they all exist, and can be traveled to [and destroyed] at the same time. People like Monitor, for example, who exist beyond the 4th dimension can peer into the future, for a more recent example.
"The present, future and past in DC exist simultaneously -- see Time Trapper, see Legion etc."That is logically impossible. To exist simultaneously means to exist at the same time. Whereas the past, present, and the future by definition exist at DIFFERENT times.
For 5thD imps, time and the 3rd dimensions are flat, so they're all one thing to them -- past/present/future.
Mxy is so outside its purview that he can warn Superman of future events that have yet to be published:
Also..
Originally posted by Galan007
Dr. Manhattan says hello. 🙂
This is why my analogy with playlists works.
Concurrently, simultaneously, I can see ahead and see what songs have played, is currently playing, and will play. I can skip around and look at ALL my playlists, and see ALL the future songs that will be played. Seven songs into the future, two, five....I can select them all.
DCU = Spotify account, playlist = timelines, songs = years.
And delete them all. So that nothing exists. No future songs, no past, no present. If scale is an issue (DS!! You obviously haven't deleted ALL playlists), then just imagine DCU = Spotify as a whole, and I have access somehow to everyone's accounts
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And futures, don't forget. As you said, everything was gone, except for those three things. At t=0.5 all futures, presents, everything was gone.
One question tho, wouldn't killing something on the present basically be the same as killing it's Future? The future can't exist without the present in the first place. If I kill you now and I travel to your future, you won't be there, unless you get revived.
I mean, if he destroyed all dimensions from 5-D and below, they wouldn't exist on the future either at that time, until he reset it right? I mean, that's how I always saw it, never really thought of it as blowing up the future separately from the present
And we now know it's impossible the he blew "everything", he couldn't have wiped out the 6D world and beyond, he can't even perceive it iirc and highly doubt he could have wiped them from the future either. Right?
Originally posted by Galan007looooooooooooooool
Loki > Hulk:
Originally posted by Galan007Given what was written in this thread page, you'd think you posted those scans just to add more to the bundle of arguments about time posted above, and not just posting Wednesday scans, lol.
Epoch's "Chronological Overwrite" is apparently pretty thorough...😑
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 😂 He just casually defeated Hulk though
He did. Hulk is still more powerful. Hulk is vulnerable to magic. Example, she casually defeated Superman, with ease and I would still say Supes is more powerful.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5607154-5%20justlssqe_2_6.jpg
He was knocked the F out at the end of their fight. She koed him.
