Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Facts is: Magneto been through heavy shit and is lashing out to the ones responsible before they do anything more
If you can't align to that, great, that means you had a nice and easy life without worries

I never said I couldn't understand it. But hurting others because they (or others) hurt you is still technically an immoral act by most people's standards. Even revenge, you're still sinking to that person's level.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
just like how the X-Men are not the heroes to humanity. Just like how Spiderman is not a hero to J. Jonah Jameson.
The reason why it took the X-men so long was because they tried going the peaceful route for so long with a species that obviously didn't want peace with them.

just because the species that actively and openly hunt his species see him as a villain, that doesn't make him a villain

Plenty of Humans consider the X-Men to be heroes. You're speaking like Humanity is one giant, homogeneous group, when it isn't. Neither are mutants.

and no, it's his villainous acts that make him a villain. We tend to judge people by their actions, not their feelings or their intentions. Magneto has done some awful shit. And like I said before, something being understandable isn't the same as being justifiable. At least, depending on who you ask, anyway. Xavier wouldn't think it's justifiable, and he's a prick himself.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@PR, here Magneto even supports Jean in establishing a law that forbids Mutants from actively killing humans 🤷🏻‍♂️

and this is after Humans infiltrated Krakoa and assassinated Charles. So with all this humans have a right to fear shit

SOME humans. You're refusing to differentiate just like Magneto refused to differentiate. He saw Humans as the enemy even when Mutants have always had Human allies in one form or another.

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The original argument was whether Magneto is a villain or not. My argument is that by his acts alone, he is.

And yes, in general a mutant is by default more dangerous than a human. Can a human be more dangerous? Sure, but that only happens when you add in outside factors. The x-gene is less of an outside factor than anything that could make a human a danger to their entire town.

so yes, a human has every right to be justifiably afraid of a mutant. that doesn't, however, negate the mutant's right to protect themselves if the human tries to unfairly oppress them. that's literally what the x-men do.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Freaky.

Originally posted by cdtm
Looks like social justice infected IDW too. At least judging by Transformers Galaxies.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Transformers-Galaxies/Issue-1?id=161232#14

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Transformers-Galaxies/Issue-1?id=161232#16

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Transformers-Galaxies/Issue-1?id=161232#16

"Revolutionary".

"Common cause".

Groups coming together and rampaging? What, like Antifa?

The language here is full of political jargon. Are they making fun of them, or having fun with the media, or are they wingnuts themselves?

Oh, Megatrons mentor is also a woman. She mentored Robot Hitler.

So could be just a disgruntled writer with another Kathlyeen Kennedy type boss..

Then again, Megatron was a revolutionary.. So maybe I'm looking too deep into it.

Oh, and Prowl is no longer the head investigator and his boss is a woman.

...

Yeah, there be wokeness in there..

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're talking to yourself again? 😛

Originally posted by cdtm
Then again, Megatron was a revolutionary.. So maybe I'm looking too deep into it.

Oh, and Prowl is no longer the head investigator and his boss is a woman.

...

Yeah, there be wokeness in there..

That theme was always there you're just late to the party

Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said I couldn't understand it. But hurting others because they (or others) hurt you is still technically an immoral act by most people's standards. Even revenge, you're still sinking to that person's level.

Plenty of Humans consider the X-Men to be heroes. You're speaking like Humanity is one giant, homogeneous group, when it isn't. Neither are mutants.

and no, it's his villainous acts that make him a villain. We tend to judge people by their actions, not their feelings or their intentions. Magneto has done some awful shit. And like I said before, something being understandable isn't the same as being justifiable. At least, depending on who you ask, anyway. Xavier wouldn't think it's justifiable, and he's a prick himself.

SOME humans. You're refusing to differentiate just like Magneto refused to differentiate. He saw Humans as the enemy even when Mutants have always had Human allies in one form or another.

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The original argument was whether Magneto is a villain or not. My argument is that by his acts alone, he is.

And yes, in general a mutant is by default more dangerous than a human. Can a human be more dangerous? Sure, but that only happens when you add in outside factors. The x-gene is less of an outside factor than anything that could make a human a danger to their entire town.

so yes, a human has every right to be justifiably afraid of a mutant. that doesn't, however, negate the mutant's right to protect themselves if the human tries to unfairly oppress them. that's literally what the x-men do.

Freaky.

I will never sink to the level of the one that hurt me or the things I care about.
I will always sink lower, so I can more easily drag them down
Judging characters based on their actions without looking at the cause of said actions is shallow.
His actions were justifiable as they were the result of years of being the target of heavy discrimination and attacks.
You can find him a villain all you want. That doesn't change the fact that his actions were, and still are, justifiable.
When Spidey fights Uncle Ben's killer he is still regarded as a hero.
Yet when Magneto fights the ones that tormented him for years he is regarded as a villain.
That is a double standard and I don't care for it smh

Also @pr

the entire concept of villainy in relation to Magneto is juvenile. Is ISIS a terrorist organization? Was Al Quaeda? Why? Because they weren't an internationally sanctioned army? Because lack of resources forced them to fight for what they wanted by unconventional means? Wanna know who woulda be considered terrorists if they existed now? America's revolutionary army. He's not looking for world domination, slaves, riches, control, etc. He simply has lived a life that has taught him one fact: Jew or mutant, humanity is dangerous to him and see him as someone they can kill or enslave at will. NOT wanting to exterminate mankind after that is retarded kittens and farting rainbows PBS morality bullshit. He has more legitimate reason to declare war on mankind than any nation has every had for declaring war on another

Lastly, he's not acting out if selfishness. He believes (most likely correctly) that the ONLY way his people will survive their existence is to subjugate humanity. He's protecting his species. Like, literally the prime directive of life itself. Ensure the survival of your species

Wonder Woman didnt throw a single punch and admitted she wasnt trying but per a user, she is trying

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but neither did she have to take the hits.

no doubt she doesn’t have to and she shouldn’t but she idiotically does. Writer’s falling back on the old saw of the hero submitting to punishment to show that she really, REALLY just wants to talk things out.
It’s ridiculous. If she’s just going to stand there, why spend any time dodging and hitting you’re attacker at all? What, did one of Kara’s blows change her mind?

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman didnt throw a single punch and admitted she wasnt trying but per a user, she is trying

Diana is clearly Defending herself But she isn't Trying to Really Fight She's talking more and trying to get Info....Diana's OBVIOUSLY holding back. clear intent.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Diana is clearly Defending herself But she isnt Trying to Really Fight.She's Talking more and Trying to get Info....Diana's OBVIOUSLY holding back. clear intent

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
no doubt she doesn’t have to and she shouldn’t but she idiotically does. Writer’s falling back on the old saw of the hero submitting to punishment to show that she really, REALLY just wants to talk things out.
It’s ridiculous. If she’s just going to stand there, why spend any time dodging and hitting you’re attacker at all? What, did one of Kara’s blows change her mind?

Which says a lot about the vaunted 'muscle memory' that WW has. It's meant to be reflexive, unconscious thinking - throw a punch at her and she reacts thanks to years/decades of training and battle honed reflexes.

That Kara still punches the crap out of her despite her automatic reflexes, means she's just that quick. It's no low showing. Kara is just that fast.

Wondy clearly playing softball.

Sorta ok for SG. Sorta...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which says a lot about the vaunted 'muscle memory' that WW has. It's meant to be reflexive, unconscious thinking - throw a punch at her and she reacts thanks to years/decades of training and battle honed reflexes.

That Kara still punches the crap out of her despite her automatic reflexes, means she's just that quick. It's no low showing. Kara is just that fast.

Originally posted by Galan007
I forgot Dianna has Ultra Instinct. 👆

Isn't that the central argument of many? Who wins, Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee?

Dianna is a shit character nowadays. I try to forget most of her appearances. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which says a lot about the vaunted 'muscle memory' that WW has. It's meant to be reflexive, unconscious thinking - throw a punch at her and she reacts thanks to years/decades of training and battle honed reflexes.

That Kara still punches the crap out of her despite her automatic reflexes, means she's just that quick. It's no low showing. Kara is just that fast.

Um Diana dodging that early hit means Diana’s just that quick, as well. Either way, she eventual decides to just stand there and let Suoergirl just whale on her, which means she’s just that durable.
I see this demonstrates just how hardy Wonder Woman is. That She can take so much as a single attack from an enraged Kryptonian is absolutely mind boggling to me.
It’s annoying to me, too. I always resented John Byrne arbitrarily turning her from someone whom Deathstroke can spank to someone who is “Superman - 1%” in strength, as Byrne frequently put it during his run on Diana’s book.
Makes no sense to me. Superman busts his ass to earn his place atop DC’s power hierarchy, and Wonder Woman gets to ride his coattails for free.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dianna is a shit character nowadays. I try to forget most of her appearances. 👆

Beginnings of New 52 Diana was pretty good. Especially when she was constantly interacting with the Gods and battling 1st Born.

@Alberto you really don’t see a difference between targeting Nazis/Mutant hate groups specifically, and targeting all of mankind? You don’t see a difference between going after the individual who killed Uncle Ben (only to have him arrested, not killed btw), and say going after that guy’s whole family?