Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I will never sink to the level of the one that hurt me or the things I care about.
I will always sink lower, so I can more easily drag them down
Judging characters based on their actions without looking at the cause of said actions is shallow.
His actions were justifiable as they were the result of years of being the target of heavy discrimination and attacks.
You can find him a villain all you want. That doesn't change the fact that his actions were, and still are, justifiable.
When Spidey fights Uncle Ben's killer he is still regarded as a hero.
Yet when Magneto fights the ones that tormented him for years he is regarded as a villain.
That is a double standard and I don't care for it smh

That would make you, imo, a villain.

I didn't say never to look at the cause. Just that a person is judged by said actions, which they generally should be.

Justifiable to him and to you. Not to me. Not to the X-Men. Not to most superheroes and even some supervilains. Attacking innocents, imo, is never justifiable, and that's what you're advocating. And Magneto has done that several times. The random Joe on the street is not complicit in something done by some dark, shadow part of the US government. Acting like they are is dangerous at the very least.

That's not what a double standard is. It would only be one if Magneto had restricted himself to going after Nazis. But he didn't. Or organisations like Weapon X. Or people like Stryker. But he didn't. He attacked innocent people. Innocents. Heroes don't do that. And let's be honest, the vast majority of people, human are not, are too busy trying to pay the bills and get through the day to worry about subjugating mutants.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also @pr

the entire concept of villainy in relation to Magneto is juvenile. Is ISIS a terrorist organization? Was Al Quaeda? Why? Because they weren't an internationally sanctioned army? Because lack of resources forced them to fight for what they wanted by unconventional means? Wanna know who woulda be considered terrorists if they existed now? America's revolutionary army. He's not looking for world domination, slaves, riches, control, etc. He simply has lived a life that has taught him one fact: Jew or mutant, humanity is dangerous to him and see him as someone they can kill or enslave at will. NOT wanting to exterminate mankind after that is retarded kittens and farting rainbows PBS morality bullshit. He has more legitimate reason to declare war on mankind than any nation has every had for declaring war on another

Again, this really just sounds like you trying to justify hatred towards a group, the vast majority of which have probably done no wrong.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Lastly, he's not acting out if selfishness. He believes (most likely correctly) that the ONLY way his people will survive their existence is to subjugate humanity. He's protecting his species. Like, literally the prime directive of life itself. Ensure the survival of your species

His actions say otherwise.

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Also, Human didn't cause Genosha. Cassandra Nova did, and last I checked, she's not Human. She might have used sentinels, but we don't blame the gun when someone gets shot. And sure, people will bring up AR bans, but that's still more about taking weapons out of the hands of those that would use them for nefarious things.

@quickfreeze, No, I see no difference and do you know why?

Because those kind of hate groups always come out of the same source: humanity.

You don't combat cancer by going for the metastases.
You combat it by going for the source.

First Kara is amped AND Diana is letting her hit her. Theres a difference in someone being too fast vs someone letting another person pound on them.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@quickfreeze, No, I see no difference and do you know why?

Because those kind of hate groups always come out of the same source: humanity.

You don't combat cancer by going for the metastases.
You combat it by going for the source.

Remember that one of the fundamental reasonings behind anti-Semitism is the concept of blood sins.

In short, the Nazis believed that going after ALL Jews was justified, because some of them killed Jesus.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That would make you, imo, a villain.

I didn't say never to look at the cause. Just that a person is judged by said actions, which they generally should be.

Justifiable to him and to you. Not to me. Not to the X-Men. Not to most superheroes and even some supervilains. Attacking innocents, imo, is never justifiable, and that's what you're advocating. And Magneto has done that several times. The random Joe on the street is not complicit in something done by some dark, shadow part of the US government. Acting like they are is dangerous at the very least.

That's not what a double standard is. It would only be one if Magneto had restricted himself to going after Nazis. But he didn't. Or organisations like Weapon X. Or people like Stryker. But he didn't. He attacked innocent people. Innocents. Heroes don't do that. And let's be honest, the vast majority of people, human are not, are too busy trying to pay the bills and get through the day to worry about subjugating mutants.

Again, this really just sounds like you trying to justify hatred towards a group, the vast majority of which have probably done no wrong.

His actions say otherwise.

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Also, Human didn't cause Genosha. Cassandra Nova did, and last I checked, she's not Human. She might have used sentinels, but we don't blame the gun when someone gets shot. And sure, people will bring up AR bans, but that's still more about taking weapons out of the hands of those that would use them for nefarious things.

nice try, but AGAIN, pretty much all of humanity is their enemy. Genosha. American anti mutant government. Other countries. MILLIONS of mutants killed. And to further kill your point: Moira has seen several futures and LITERALLY Magneto is right. There will NEVER be peace between the two and as long as humans exist, mutants will eventually be exterminated. Your Nazi example makes ZERO sense because the Jews were a minority with next to no power who'd never harmed Germany. Nice try though 🤷🏿ž

Originally posted by carver9
First Kara is amped AND Diana is letting her hit her. Theres a difference in someone being too fast vs someone letting another person pound on them.

You're wasting an argument. The whole point of her not throwing punches and getting beat on was to show SG that she meant her no harm. That she was on her side and wouldn't resort to fighting. Plus from the dialogue you can see that Diana noticed it was working, Kara was fighting the influence. So it's not a low showing for Diana nor a high showing for Kara or really any kind of showing at all.

Anyone who says otherwise is obviously trolling and trying to get a reaction.

Originally posted by carver9
First Kara is amped AND Diana is letting her hit her. Theres a difference in someone being too fast vs someone letting another person pound on them.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That theme was always there you're just late to the party

They had male bot on male bot action, yeah.

But I kind of liked Cyclonus and Tailgate.

Incredible. People are actually bringing their very young kids into the grocery store.

Forget panic, I don't think people are taking this seriously enough.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You're wasting an argument. The whole point of her not throwing punches and getting beat on was to show SG that she meant her no harm. That she was on her side and wouldn't resort to fighting. Plus from the dialogue you can see that Diana noticed it was working, Kara was fighting the influence. So it's not a low showing for Diana nor a high showing for Kara or really any kind of showing at all.

Anyone who says otherwise is obviously trolling and trying to get a reaction.

This and with that said, I'm done discussing it

Originally posted by cdtm
They had male bot on male bot action, yeah.

But I kind of liked Cyclonus and Tailgate.

Transformers has always pushed that theme. It's funny people are now noticing. I mean Jazz was the "black" transformer, the autobot nurse, the gay transformers etc. It's nothing woke about it. Comics have always pushed an agenda

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Transformers has always pushed that theme. It's funny people are now noticing. I mean Jazz was the "black" transformer, the autobot nurse, the gay transformers etc. It's nothing woke about it. Comics have always pushed an agenda

Ratchet was a doctor, not a nurse. 🙂

Originally posted by cdtm
Incredible. People are actually bringing their very young kids into the grocery store.

Forget panic, I don't think people are taking this seriously enough.

kids gotta get immunity somehow.

Hey, how would this even work:

An intangible "shadow leech" that drains life energy as soon as it touches you gets trapped in a "sonic bubble" by a character with sound powers.

It's drawn like a mini force field. But it's sound. And the vampire goes through walls.

I don't get it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Ratchet was a doctor, not a nurse. 🙂

Wasn't talking about ratchet

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Remember that one of the fundamental reasonings behind anti-Semitism is the concept of blood sins.

In short, the Nazis believed that going after ALL Jews was justified, because some of them killed Jesus.

It’s the fundamental justification every hate group has to terrorize someone because of who they are DS Jesus

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wasn't talking about ratchet

First Aid? Pretty sure he's a medic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Remember that one of the fundamental reasonings behind anti-Semitism is the concept of blood sins.

In short, the Nazis believed that going after ALL Jews was justified, because some of them killed Jesus.

Wasn't Hitler an atheist?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
nice try, but AGAIN, pretty much all of humanity is their enemy. Genosha. American anti mutant government. Other countries. MILLIONS of mutants killed. And to further kill your point: Moira has seen several futures and LITERALLY Magneto is right. There will NEVER be peace between the two and as long as humans exist, mutants will eventually be exterminated. Your Nazi example makes ZERO sense because the Jews were a minority with next to no power who'd never harmed Germany. Nice try though 🤷🏿ž

Again, Genosha wasn't Humanity's fault. The American government isn't the American people. The real world, right now, is indicative of that.

Yes, millions of mutants killed by Cassandra Nova. Not Humans. Unless you mean Scarlet Witch, but she's not Human either.

JFC. The entire point of Moira's resets was to show that neither Charles NOR Magneto was right. That's why they join forces in the first place.

You... Completely missed my point.

So, which group of people do you hate and have decided that they're all the same? I'm genuinely curious.

Sounds like everything is trying to push an agenda. How adorable.