Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol..you havent seen the infinity hammer ?
Originally posted by Adam GrimesAh right , yeah Id the scan posted in the ownage thread. Didn’t know it was Cates who wrote that. It was a Thor comic ?
Thanos leading the Marvel Zombies with an Infinity Mjolnir and a black gauntlet that I don't have the slightest idea of what it might be.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Easily. 👍
Smartest thing you've said. Not just galactic heroes, but more darker/adult aswell. Marvel actually tends to primarily deal with genocide, racism and government overreach or constitutional violations. Marvel deals with real world darkness while DC tends to have a more horror movie type of fantastic darkness.Outside of Batman books, WW and Lanterns (Hal and Kyle can't seem to keep their shit together despite being will personified) how many DC books truly have dark themes? Superman is a paragon. Booster, Guy and Blue Beetle aren't serious. Darksied is ultimately simplistic, cuz he's a bad for the sake of being bad. Harley is violent but it's more gruesome slapstick than true darkness. In all honesty, most DC darkness is an artificial high fantasy type of darkness like BWL. As far as overarching themes, Marvel skews much more toward the darkness that exists in reality. Thematically, (the true measure) they are different kinds of dark. As for writing, I see no difference. Batman has no sense of humor and realistically, he makes everyone around him funnier because of it. Ollie, the Lanterns (except John) etc are always joking. objectively, DC books have just as many one liners as Marvel. They just don't come from anyone in the Trinity.
What's funny is, in the DC verse, the Trinity is potentially ripe for earth turning against them, much like the original Civil War Marvel arc. Batmen openly flaunts his disregard for law and Superman s collateral damage scale is incredible. Also, unlike Marvel, a lot of DC rogues tend to exist BECAUSE of the heroes.
Identity Crisis, you twit.
Also, stop lying/trolling.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Identity Crisis, you twit.Also, stop lying/trolling.
Lying about what?
Tony Stark is an alcoholic who's whole past is a lie. Bruce Banner is a rage beast because his father was a murderous, abusive bastard who killed his mother in front of him. Natasha and Clint have dedicated their lives to being heroes because their early lives they were horrible people killing in the name of country or money. Vision's entire existence is an existential question about the nature of man, the soul and what it means to be alive. Mutants have been dozens of people from extinction more than once. Thanos and Magneto are both lessons in good intentions taken to their farthest, bad extent. Luke Cage and his wife deal with racism and the trials of interracial love in a racist society. Wolverine is a story of a man who didn't know who he was, manipulated and mind wiped, retaining only a history of blood and violence.
I think it's Up, Up, and Away or something similar where Superman actually acknowledges how bad he is at being proactive, how much collateral damage he allows by reacting after the fact, and goes to seek training. Pretty sure I have the wrong title, but... It's one of the mini arcs. Like a six book series.
Brainiac alone has ****ed Metropolis up badly, several times.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Lying about what?Tony Stark is an alcoholic who's whole past is a lie. Bruce Banner is a rage beast because his father was a murderous, abusive bastard who killed his mother in front of him. Natasha and Clint have dedicated their lives to being heroes because their early lives they were horrible people killing in the name of country or money. Vision's entire existence is an existential question about the nature of man, the soul and what it means to be alive. Mutants have been dozens of people from extinction more than once. Thanos and Magneto are both lessons in good intentions taken to their farthest, bad extent. Luke Cage and his wife deal with racism and the trials of interracial love in a racist society. Wolverine is a story of a man who didn't know who he was, manipulated and mind wiped, retaining only a history of blood and violence.
I think it's Up, Up, and Away or something similar where Superman actually acknowledges how bad he is at being proactive, how much collateral damage he allows by reacting after the fact, and goes to seek training. Pretty sure I have the wrong title, but... It's one of the mini arcs. Like a six book series.
Brainiac alone has ****ed Metropolis up badly, several times.
Lying about DC, or cherry-picking to suit your agenda. As usual.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Lying about DC, or cherry-picking to suit your agenda. As usual.
I don't see DC as particularly dark. Batman is faux edgy. All that rage and violence but a very child friendly "don't kill at any cost" morality. Clark is as Disneyland as a hero can get. WW is a killer. Love her. I find Lantern constructs to be very cartoonish in regular stories though they step it up for major arcs. Ollie is freaking Errol Flynn. The universe is riddled with child heroes. Though, admittedly, Marvel has doubled down hard on kid heroes lately. Meanwhile, with the exception of Spider-Man, I can't think of too many Marvel headliners that won't kill if pushed. Plus, DC is full of moral paragons, (childish morality at its best) while Marvel characters tend to have situational morality which is far more realistic.
murder is in our nature. In Batman's line of work, the likelihood of completely being able to resist that temptation is far less than likely also
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Is it any good ?
Thor comics are really not my thing.
But even though Thor has a double amp there (which is not likely to last), he's treated with respect, so it's a nice change compared to what Aaron was doing with the character earlier.
That vision with Thanos is just a single panel. It's not worth your attention, unless Cates does something with that later.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWFair enough, cheers.
Thor comics are really not my thing.But even though Thor has a double amp there (which is not likely to last), he's treated with respect, so it's a nice change compared to what Aaron was doing with the character earlier.
That vision with Thanos is just a single panel. It's not worth your attention, unless Cates does something with that later.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Last Thor run I thought was epic was JMS. Is it as good as that ?
It's pretty good. All epic and stuff.i liked it.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I don't see DC as particularly dark. Batman is faux edgy. All that rage and violence but a very child friendly "don't kill at any cost" morality. Clark is as Disneyland as a hero can get. WW is a killer. Love her. I find Lantern constructs to be very cartoonish in regular stories though they step it up for major arcs. Ollie is freaking Errol Flynn. The universe is riddled with child heroes. Though, admittedly, Marvel has doubled down hard on kid heroes lately. Meanwhile, with the exception of Spider-Man, I can't think of too many Marvel headliners that won't kill if pushed. Plus, DC is full of moral paragons, (childish morality at its best) while Marvel characters tend to have situational morality which is far more realistic.murder is in our nature. In Batman's line of work, the likelihood of completely being able to resist that temptation is far less than likely also
You not liking them is one thing. Assuming they're bad because they're not the way you think they should be, is another.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Last Thor run I thought was epic was JMS. Is it as good as that ?
Completely different writing styles. Not comparable, imho.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
No. It's lacking in depth....the battle was rushed and the villian plus Galactus was underwhelming. Thor also acted ooc the entire arc
Pretty much, yeah.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You not liking them is one thing. Assuming they're bad because they're not the way you think they should be, is another.
Marvel dealt with the same thing identity crisis did it in the avengers back in the 80's add a little weirdo incest and an odd case of......rerape?, I guess without a word to really call it.
There's also Jessica Jones's main story too
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Marvel dealt with the same thing identity crisis did it in the avengers back in the 80's add a little weirdo incest and an odd case of......rerape?, I guess without a word to really call it.There's also Jessica Jones's main story too
If you're seriously likening the Carol Danvers abomination of a story that was a disgrace even back then, to what happened in Identity Crisis... I dunno what to tell you.
Originally posted by -Pr-
If you're seriously likening the Carol Danvers abomination of a story that was a disgrace even back then, to what happened in Identity Crisis... I dunno what to tell you.
besides the rape what was REALLY all that dark about identity crisis that hasn't been done everywhere else?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
besides the rape what was REALLY all that dark about identity crisis that hasn't been done everywhere else?
"besides" the rape. JFC.
The consequences of the story (which had plenty of adult themes) were felt throughout the major parts of the DCU. It split the Justice League, and the consequences of such were felt well in to Infinite Crisis and beyond.