Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion Thread

^Hux was also more enjoyable in this last movie

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What did you like about it?

Genuinely curious.

One good thing for me is the definitive answers on

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the most powerful Sith/Darksider and Jedi/Light sider of all time with no room for argumentation

I also like

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Leia being a Jedi. Even though thats stupidly inconsistent with the last 2 films

But thats pretty much it. Cant say I liked anything else. Whilst have a massive shit load of things I thought were terrible in this.

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the first scene where he’s slaughtering the people to get to the wayfinder was cool, and he finally beat Rey for once before he was distracted by Leia. I thought his death was good too, I’m glad he didn’t just fall of the cliff never to be seen again but actually sacrificed his life to save Rey. Landon was great too, thought it was dumb that he was on Pasana for years after giving up on the search but other than that I loved him in this movie.

My main complaints with the movie are how it felt so rushed, especially towards the beginning, and also the

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lack of an explanation for Palp’s return

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Ya’ll are too critical. The movie was enjoyable, yeah there was some stupid parts to it but I thought it was a vast improvement over TLJ and even TFA.

So wanting a coherent plot is being too critical now?

Originally posted by ares834
So wanting a coherent plot is being too critical now?

Look, I hated TLJ. Loathed it. But maybe instead of trying to undo everything TLJ did while simultaneously trying to set up new plot threads RoS should have instead continued on using the plot threads that TLJ set up. Kylo as the big bad. Rey Nobody. etc...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Fair enough. I guess the choices just worked for you.

I think the

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Rey reveal would have worked much better back in TLJ. Given how the Internet was full of theories between TFA and TLJ

But I feel it just came a movie too late, and was silly post TLJ.

It also doesnt actually explain anything IMO. So was kinda pointless.

Personally I found the

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power levels too Dragon Ball or video game.

. Too over the top. And I feel

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Palpatines

portrayal was the worst in the movies so far. Like really generic

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villain. From the biggest and arguably greatest villain in the saga, and he was just there to be a generic bad guy who will wipe out fleets from his fingers

. Terrible. Laughable in fact. For me at least.

Turning to Legends isnt a good defence. They went down the Palpatine resurrection BEFORE the Prequels.

And even a cheesy comic book such as Dark Empire

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gave a full and proper explanation of how the Emperor returned

But once DE was done, there was no point in them avoiding further Sith. Which is why Post the Prequels the canonicity of the Post-ROTJ stuff always seemed pretty iffy.

I think this movie somewhat ciments how powerful Luke was since we now know

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Snoke was Palpatine's proxy and he feared Luke

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Leia

I'd honestly like this trilogy better if it gets retconned into being an alternate future, because they could've done better stuff using these same ideas just by linking the plots more properly and conceiving what they wanted to do with the whole product in advance

Originally posted by ares834
Look, I hated TLJ. Loathed it. But maybe instead of trying to undo everything TLJ did while simultaneously trying to set up new plot threads RoS should have instead continued on using the plot threads that TLJ set up. Kylo as the big bad. Rey Nobody. etc...

Yeah definitely. I mean look how much more of an ass does Luke in TLJ look now

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that we know as a fact that Kylo was redeemable the whole time

How silly does it seem now that in Force Awakens

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Leia didnt go with Han to bring Kylo home.

As for the big reveal, I think it would have been well received if it came in TLJ, but was just too late at this point IMO.

Originally posted by ares834
Look, I hated TLJ. Loathed it. But maybe instead of trying to undo everything TLJ did while simultaneously trying to set up new plot threads RoS should have instead continued on using the plot threads that TLJ set up. Kylo as the big bad. Rey Nobody. etc...

That's one idea I really digged in TLJ, yeah.

And yeah, Kylo as the new Supreme Leader should've sufficed as the "main boss" of this trilogy. Palps was simply shoehorned into it.

This movie was so nonsensical, I'm not even sure what to say.

They don't go into detail at all about how Palpatine survived. He says at one point in the film

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"I have died before" iirc, but like... so what, Snoke was a failed clone? There were a couple Snokes floating in tanks, but all he said was he created Snoke, he couldn't have been a clone of Palps then? Palps himself was all f***ed up, parts of his fingers were missing and his arms and shit were all scarred up and he had to be supported by being hooked up to this giant mechanical arm, so is that his original body then? Or his clone bodies just degrade super quickly? Who knows.

I still can't believe how retarded his plan was either...

"Kylo, go kill Rey. You haven't killed her yet, what are you waiting for? Go kill her! Oh Rey, you're here. I didn't actually want you to die, I wanted to you come here and have you kill me and assume the throne. Welcome, Empress. Oh you don't want the throne? You want to team up with Ben and try to kill me? Okay, I will just ragdoll you both then. lol what the ****?

This is the worst Star Wars experience imagineable.

How tf is this and "The Mandalorian" going on at the same time?

One is a masterpiece that could rival Firefly imo, the other is an unsavageable non-sensical putrid mess.

I'm actually angry, furious.

I'm really hoping they get some good people to work on The Old Republic movies.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
This is the worst Star Wars experience imagineable.

How tf is this and "The Mandalorian" going on at the same time?

One is a masterpiece that could rival Firefly imo, the other is an unsavageable non-sensical putrid mess.

I'm actually angry, furious.

I'm really hoping they get some good people to work on The Old Republic movies.

Because Kathleen Kennedy created The Mandalorian as an emergency plan B to make sure she can manipulate the fans into giving her money so she create more shitty trilogies, in case Rise Of Skywalker isn’t successful.

For assurance, she threw in Baby Yoda in order to sell toys and entice gullible man-children into watching her show.

The Mandalorian is a temporary carrot on a string, designed to sponge money from the fans and profit from their gullibility.

Once she gets your money from selling Baby Yoda toys, Disney+ and The Mandalorian DVDs - then she will have enough money to keep creating new feminist PC Star Wars movies.

Also the name

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the FINAL ORDAAA

Almost like this whole trilogy was a barely planned mess. Really driving home that whole "Star Wars is overrated and should have ended with the 80s" vibe that I love so much.

Even watched TPM last night in a bid to purge this trilogy from my mind.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Almost like this whole trilogy was a barely planned mess. Really driving home that whole "Star Wars is overrated and should have ended with the 80s" vibe that I love so much.

the skywalker story definitely should have ended in the 80's, but I think disney has gotten wiser in it's use of lucasfilm. regardless of anyone's personal opinions, the mandalorian has been widely successful. I think their mistake was placing too much stock in GL's opinion that there needed to be a sequel trilogy in the first place.

^ Oh come on, you cant possibly blame this on Lucas...

If he put it in the same contract that they HAVE TO make a sequel trilogy, then Im sure he would have also added in the contract that they HAD TO use his treatments. Because I seriously doubt Lucas demanded a sequel trilogy with or without his treatments.

The problem with this is trilogy is that it was essentially a repeat of the OT. Began the same as ANH, ended the same as ROTJ. They did a complete 360 and it was essentially pointless. Add to that the inconsistency of it all with different directors doing different things and it just ended in a mess.

Saw the movie yesterday.

First 2/3rds was a ridiculously cluttered train-wreck. The parts that were good didn't last long enough and left me severely underwhelmed.

Ian was great and so wasn't Adam Driver.

The movie didn't really have enough breathing room or quiet moments to draw me in. If they could have slowed the film down a bit, it could have been an amazing build up and hook leading into Episode 10. This could have been a 4 film saga had they wanted it to be, bringing the entire franchise into a nice even 10 episodes. After TLJ, there just wasn't enough room to wrap this mess up in one episode.

The result....2 films squeezed into one. Disappointed with it.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
the skywalker story definitely should have ended in the 80's, but I think disney has gotten wiser in it's use of lucasfilm. regardless of anyone's personal opinions, the mandalorian has been widely successful. I think their mistake was placing too much stock in GL's opinion that there needed to be a sequel trilogy in the first place.

Yes yes. It's all that big bad boogieman GL's fault.