People lying about Rape: How common is it really?

I will never understand some peoples inability to consider a hypothetical.

To be honest, people just suck so much at stats they will always make terrible choices

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Some women lie about being raped, some men get off being rapists by lying. SOME People are *****.
SOME women.
SOME men.
Most of both sexes neither cry false rape or commit rape and lie about it. When it's two people's words against each other in privacy, truth is hard to ascertainand and mistakes get made sometimes.

Bingo.

Problem is (at least in America) we have two polarized sides, where one seems to believe no woman has ever lied about rape and the other is the "well, what was she wearing?" type (ie victim blaming; woman hating) and while they're not the majority as I really don't believe most people fall in either categoty; they're the loudest and most heard.

Originally posted by Robtard
the other is the "well, what was she wearing?" type (ie victim blaming; woman hating) and while they're not the majority

Keep in mind though there is a difference between people whose response to someone getting raped is "well, what she was wearing," and the people who just in general say women should do certain things to avoid getting raped.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Keep in mind though there is a difference between people whose response to someone getting raped is "well, what she was wearing," and the people who just in general say women should do certain things to avoid getting raped.

I 100% agree, within reason. eg Saying "women shouldn't walk alone in *insert high crime neighborhood* at night.", is a sensible thing as it's an unfortunate reality. Saying "well, what did she expect for walking alone in *insert high crime neighborhood* at night." after a rape isn't, it's victim blaming.

Originally posted by Robtard
I 100% agree, within reason. eg Saying "women shouldn't walk alone in *insert high crime neighborhood* at night.", is a sensible thing as it's an unfortunate reality. Saying "well, what did she expect for walking alone in *insert high crime neighborhood* at night." after a rape isn't, it's victim blaming.

We had this argument before - we agreed.

Basically, a woman (or any human) should be able to walk on a city-sidewalk, regardless of the neighborhood, and be left alone. Obviously, it doesn't work like that in the real world, as you mentioned.

Originally posted by Robtard
I 100% agree, within reason. eg Saying "women shouldn't walk alone in *insert high crime neighborhood* at night.", is a sensible thing as it's an unfortunate reality. Saying "well, what did she expect for walking alone in *insert high crime neighborhood* at night." after a rape isn't, it's victim blaming.

In my eyes that's as stupid an inane as saying "Don't teach kids not to get in a van with strangers, teach adults not to kidnap kids!" Its retarded.

Well, you need to teach both, as rape is going to happen even in the "best" of societies and unfortunately there are boys/men who believe in and push a hatred of women. eg That it's okay to sexually harass a women and/or you're somehow owed female companionship.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We had this argument before - we agreed.

Basically, a woman (or any human) should be able to walk on a city-sidewalk, regardless of the neighborhood, and be left alone. Obviously, it doesn't work like that in the real world, as you mentioned.

Yeah I don't give a shit what a woman is wearing. Even if you think the clothes she is wearing are meant to entice men...it's gonna be her choice on whose attention she returns. Doesn't mean you get to jump her.

If someone says they are raped the advice should be to get a rape kit done,etc. and report it immediately.

Don't you think men should be able to control themselves Surt?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Don't you think men should be able to control themselves Surt?

Yes, that's why I said it doesn't matter if she is wearing something meant to attract men...THEY have to wait for the okay, not pounce based on attire.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Don't you think men should be able to control themselves Surt?

That's my main issue with Islam and covering women up completely, it's done supposedly for a girl's/woman's protection, but it's cowardly shifting the responsibility. "Men are going to harass you so here, you have to dress like a potato sack." How about you let women dress as they wish and hold men accountable for their own actions.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, that's why I said it doesn't matter if she is wearing something meant to attract men...THEY have to wait for the okay, not pounce based on attire.

It’s obvious rape is wrong though. The idea that men don’t know that rape is wrong or that it’s not extremely socially and legally abhorred is nonsense. People know it’s wrong to rape they just do it anyways.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It’s obvious rape is wrong though. The idea that men don’t know that rape is wrong or that it’s not extremely socially and legally abhorred is nonsense. People know it’s wrong to rape they just do it anyways.

Which kind of rape? There are 4 major degrees of rape:

1. Violent, physical rape.
2. Coerced rape that does not result in violence.
3. All other rapes where there is a clear lack of consent.
4. Rape by Deception - sometimes, not illegal. Such as not declaring an STD that would have caused the victim to withdraw consent.

I would say you are correct only for #1. Mostly for #2. But when you to #3, that's where they start dropping off like flies. And almost all people are guilty of #4 because the mating game is a game of deception for most people.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Which kind of rape? There are 4 major degrees of rape:

1. Violent, physical rape.
2. Coerced rape that does not result in violence.
3. All other rapes where there is a clear lack of consent.
4. Rape by Deception - sometimes, not illegal. Such as not declaring an STD that would have caused the victim to withdraw consent.

I would say you are correct only for #1. Mostly for #2. But when you to #3, that's where they start dropping off like flies. And almost all people are guilty of #4 because the mating game is a game of deception for most people.

Calling #4 rape in most cases is disingenuous IMO. The STD thing is ****ed up, and sleazy ****s who adopt a pretense to get laid are scummy but that's not the same thing as rape.

I'd guess 2 would something like threatening people on their safety or their financial/social wellbeing to get laid.

Originally posted by Robtard
Bingo.

Problem is (at least in America) we have two polarized sides, where one seems to believe no woman has ever lied about rape and the other is the "well, what was she wearing?" type (ie victim blaming; woman hating) and while they're not the majority as I really don't believe most people fall in either categoty; they're the loudest and most heard.

There's nothing wrong with doing so if a person gets a gut feeling.

I think this post belongs here:

Originally posted by SquallX
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This is so ****ing sad. To kill yourself because of some *****.

It was buried here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=613830&pagenumber=1799

and here

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=613830&pagenumber=1800

Originally posted by shiv
I think this post belongs here:

It was buried here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=613830&pagenumber=1799

and here

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=613830&pagenumber=1800