People lying about Rape: How common is it really?

Originally posted by MythLord
https://wgno.com/2018/08/09/man-who-tied-up-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-girl-will-serve-no-jail-time/
This was one of many examples where even a full blown rapist didn't get his life completely ruined after the allegations. Despite the fact that he admitted he's guilty to the charges of assaulting, tieing up and raping a 14 year old girl. He didn't even serve proper jail time, as far as I know.
These entire "What If" scenarios are preventing rape victims from getting due justice. Guys are worried about false rape accusations but even people who actually committed rape walk free most of the time. There's obviously a problem if over 95% of rapists aren't in jail despite the reports:

Yeah, I'm sure people are so eager to report false rape accusations when literally only 46 out of over 200 reports actually lead to arrest, and even less to actual punishment.

I am not saying false rape accusations don't happen -- they do and they are awful and they should be punished. But people often use it to undermine actual rape cases and that's just not ok.
If you're afraid of something as unlikely as false rape accusations, imagine how afraid women are from something statistically far more likely to happen and far less likely to get properly resolved in court.

Originally posted by MythLord
https://wgno.com/2018/08/09/man-who-tied-up-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-girl-will-serve-no-jail-time/
This was one of many examples where even a full blown rapist didn't get his life completely ruined after the allegations. Despite the fact that he admitted he's guilty to the charges of assaulting, tieing up and raping a 14 year old girl. He didn't even serve proper jail time, as far as I know.
These entire "What If" scenarios are preventing rape victims from getting due justice. Guys are worried about false rape accusations but even people who actually committed rape walk free most of the time. There's obviously a problem if over 95% of rapists aren't in jail despite the reports:

Yeah, I'm sure people are so eager to report false rape accusations when literally only 46 out of over 200 reports actually lead to arrest, and even less to actual punishment.

I am not saying false rape accusations don't happen -- they do and they are awful and they should be punished. But people often use it to undermine actual rape cases and that's just not ok.
If you're afraid of something as unlikely as false rape accusations, imagine how afraid women are from something statistically far more likely to happen and far less likely to get properly resolved in court.

So in short, this answers the thread. How common are false rape allegations: Not very common at all.

Can also add, how common is it for a rapist to get away with it: Very common

Certain people here won't like this; it busts their world view.

Yeah cause Graphs Never Lie!!!

Originally posted by Robtard
So in short, this answers the thread. How common are false rape allegations: Not very common at all.

Can also add, how common is it for a rapist to get away with it: Very common

Certain people here won't like this; it busts their world view.

Thats impossible to point out.

Kind of like how The Left says EveryOne needs to Go to College and then have studies put out saying 1 in 3 Women WILL BE RAPED will at College.

That is a Nasty Stat.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Rob you have to factor in how many people lie about rape and even go to the police about it and how much is actually released to the public.

Thats impossible to point out.

I don't think "lying about rape" is some pandemic. Sure, it happens and that's very shitty. But compared to how many actual rapes (that we know of, as rape is something that some people keep secret out of shame, fear of rejection, fear of being blamed, fear of not being believed), it's very small by comparison.

Originally posted by MythLord
Whenever a discussion about rape actually happens, the first thing people immediately cling to is: "What if she lies and is trying to ruin his life forever!?". And most rape cases are dismissed on such grounds, which is a major factor in why a lot of victims don't even try to report it.

Really?

I found lots of research on this.

But it was only until I came across the most recent research that I found significantly different results that seem to match much more closely with reports from ER Nurses.

Looks like false accusations come to 40%.

And the Pentagon finds it to be closer to 20% for military personnel.

NB4 "Citation needed"

I'll give you some breadcrumbs: it was from 2017. Odd that the often cited 2% is from 1975.

Originally posted by MythLord
That is awful. That's like a mini-hell for your finger.

I'm always walking around strapped with at least one piece of loose leaf on me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Really?

I found lots of research on this.

But it was only until I came across the most recent research that I found significantly different results that seem to match much more closely with reports from ER Nurses.

Looks like false accusations come to 40%.

And the Pentagon finds it to be closer to 20% for military personnel.

NB4 "Citation needed"

I'll give you some breadcrumbs: it was from 2017. Odd that the often cited 2% is from 1975.

For the Military, that number dropped by a good hundreds when it came to reporting rape.

Funny thing, most rape in the Military is not male female, but male on male. Male on male is not widely known because most men finds it emasculating to report such a thing.

Originally posted by SquallX
Funny thing, most rape in the Military is not male female, but male on male. Male on male is not widely known because most men finds it emasculating to report such a thing.

I don't find male on male rape funny. Maybe that's just me.

FunFact: The majority of both active and retired US military personal identify as Republican 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Really?

I found lots of research on this.

But it was only until I came across the most recent research that I found significantly different results that seem to match much more closely with reports from ER Nurses.

Looks like false accusations come to 40%.

And the Pentagon finds it to be closer to 20% for military personnel.

NB4 "Citation needed"

I'll give you some breadcrumbs: it was from 2017. Odd that the often cited 2% is from 1975.

Campaigns always churn out figures like "1 in 4" women on campus are sexually assaulted or whatever. I once pointed out to a school administrator that the stat is based on a 30-year-old questionnaire survey that is completely outdated and terrible research. It also flies in the face of all common sense.

Imagine if a QUARTER of women were sexually assaulted? Some claim it's half! Wtf? We're not living in the wild wild west. That statistic doesn't even make sense to me.

Your statistic doesn't surprise me. You know why? Because women AND men are people. Men can be real scumbags and sexually assault women (And women can assault men). Women can be real scumbags and lie about rape. Or even worse, have sex with someone, and then regret it afterward.

Let me f*cking tell you, people have a hard time swallowing the last two sentences. And if you ask around, you'll realize that the shit is WAAAY more common than people would like you to believe. Jmang has every right to be scared. I have a folder on an external drive documenting all my text messages with females that I don't tell anyone about, just in case.

I use to think that shit was crazy. Then a chick told the cops she was too drunk to give consent and she was "technically" raped by my best friend. She was also mad because she had herpes and he gave it to her. Shit was like something out of a bad reddit post. She came on to him, he drove her home in the morning, and she even bought him breakfast. But he rbombed her and just said f*ck it. The best part? The files the lawyer received of her initial interview with the police, revealed she had sex with another dude three days before him unprotected (We all wear protection for clubs rats and don't have herpes. Hmmm).

Listen up dudes, PROTIP. Unless you decide to use a fake name, f*ck a chick, and never see her, I highly suggest you get a phone number, and send a casual text that solidifies that you guys had a great time, and you would love to see her again. Just in case!

Also, in Canada, the shit is f*cked. It cost him 10gs, and the prosecutor dropped it the first day of deposition. What pisses me off, as far as the barrister told him, they have no choice but to pursue this to the full extent of the law for optics. But if by some chance it does go to trial, you don't want to risk it on a shit public attorney.

I was there, it was an AP. There were like 5 witnesses, he had a brief text convo and a receipt for the food she bought. Her story was fragile. It still cost my good friend an arm/leg and a shit load of stress. This shit is all, it RARELY happens until it happens to you and someone close to you.

If you were to ask my friend, would he rather be forced to s*ck a dick at gunpoint, or go through that shit, he might very well take the former. Because that shit goes on for MONTHS. Everything is so slow and arduous. God forbid anyone finds out. Luckily no one did, and the crown was hella quick to seal everything. They weren't supposed to give them the medical records that she had herpes. It was non-pertinent information.

That last bit, I have trouble understanding. On one hand, being a hoe doesn't mean you shouldn't be getting the full support of the law, (Unfortunately, some people, especially scumbag dudes, think this) but counting it as non-pertinent? I'm sorry, but past-behaviour is an excellent predictor of future behaviour or mental stability/maturity.

This is one of those situations, where, if you know someone was raped or had a false-accusation, it becomes a real hot topic. It can get very personal. Shit's traumatic. People are shitty, women just like men. So I wouldn't be surprised if like 40% of allegations were false. That completely destroy's the narrative some people push. I think it comes from a good place, like, if it's not completely lopsided in one-direction, we'll go back to the days of rape-victims being laughed out of police station. But it's not the 1940s anymore. We can find some balance.

Or just have better judgment and not **** psychos.

Don't victim blame Adam

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Or just have better judgment and not **** psychos.

instead of blaming the victim how about we just teach women not to be psychos?

Yes. We should make a make-up advertisement about how evil women are.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Or just have better judgment and not **** psychos.

1) This is such a lazy response, and so ironic, I'm going to let all the easy retorts slide.
2) Do you have a gizmo that can detect how psycho people are? You don't even know anyone until 6 months tbh. And casual hook-up on first dates is rising astronomically in younger generations.
3) Here's a shocker: People are good at hiding their feelings, and putting up a facade. You know who in general are particularly adept at putting up a facade, especially emotionally? Women.
4) Some people don't start out psychos. Things just turn bad, and they refuse to self-reflect and take responsibility. Imagine getting dumped, or feeling used, because the guy you liked only wanted to have sex with you and leave? What if he made it clear, and you agreed, but you thought you could change his mind? Now you're crying, pissed and hurt, and some people are calling you a whore. Buuuuut what if you say you were drunk and coerced? Now everyone is saying you got raped. You start getting attention and sympathy. It's an addicting feeling. You start believing your own story.

I just made that fourth point up on the spot, but it's not exactly mind-boggling to imagine. Why? Women are human. Those same emotions have run through me in different aspects. If guys had this sort of trump card, 100% they'd abuse it too. Maybe even more than woman do atm.

But saying don't f*ck psychos is like saying don't go near rapists. Super useless and impractical advice that contributes nothing to the problem facing the average person, and tbh, you should go to your room and reflect on your intellectual laziness.

I am a big believer in taking responsibility for your actions. I think you need to adapt to your environment. Therefore guys need to learn to very quickly vet a girl in a few minutes if they intend on casual sex. I also know I've exposed to the dark-side and most people, ESPECIALLY teenage boys aren't reading body language and watching for habits as they walk across the room to vet someone. But that shouldn't be a reason to get shit on.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
2) Do you have a gizmo that can detect how psycho people are? You don't even know anyone until 6 months tbh. And casual hook-up on first dates is rising astronomically in younger generations.

I think people should have the freedom to do whatever they want, but the older I get, the more I read, and the more statistics I observe, the more I realize, that while things, on the whole, are improving significantly for large swaths of the global population....most people are horrible with freedom and unstructured time.

So it's a bit of a double-edged sword. I love casual sex, and its fun but I have noticed that it has affected my ability to form pair-bonding to some extent. I mean, it just comes with the territory. If you hook up with 153 chicks, and 45 of them were in relationships, you're pretty goddamn weary of relationships at a point. My ability to trust a woman could easily be severely damaged if I wasn't consciously choosing to not make pre-conceived notions. And I'm sure women say the same of men. And so out of a desire to not commit to resources to an endeavour that is subconsciously seen as a failure, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think abundance and easy access has damaged something that was at one-point very special and emotional. I sound like a religious dude, but I'm really not. I can understand why institutions like the church and state were designed to encourage monogamous relationships for the good of society as a whole and for the benefit of the populace. Because it's easy to be dumb and indulgent and a vast majority of people are indulgent and dumb. I don't know how you solve this without the logical consequence being a totalitarian state? More education, more focus on spiritual enlightenment?

Normally I wouldn't care, but the rising divorce rates, rising report of false rape allegations, astronomical increases of single-mother children, falling birth-rates and increased depression, is going to be an increasingly larger burden on society. At some point you have to be like, ok, people can f*ck who they want, but perhaps some guidance and incentive to stay on a specific path? My rule of thumb is what's best for the children. A society's success in the long-term is defined as it's the ability to successfully rear competent and well-composed children at a consistent rate.

The nuclear family seems to have been by far, the most successful model. Just by BEING in a household with two parents, dramatically increases the success of a child. If casual rampant sex damages this, it's gotta be tempered. And I don't care about how much people b*tch about the patriarchy, women are human, and like men, if given unstructured freedom, an increasingly larger amount of them will abuse it for stupid shit, like casual sex resulting in unwanted pregnancies or abortions. Dudes gotta step up their game, so do women.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think people should have the freedom to do whatever they want, but the older I get, the more I read, and the more statistics I observe, the more I realize, that while things, on the whole, are improving significantly for large swaths of the global population....most people are horrible with freedom and unstructured time.

So it's a bit of a double-edged sword. I love casual sex, and its fun but I have noticed that it has affected my ability to form pair-bonding to some extent. I mean, it just comes with the territory. If you hook up with 153 chicks, and 45 of them were in relationships, you're pretty goddamn weary of relationships at a point. My ability to trust a woman could easily be severely damaged if I wasn't consciously choosing to not make pre-conceived notions. And I'm sure women say the same of men. And so out of a desire to not commit to resources to an endeavour that is subconsciously seen as a failure, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think abundance and easy access has damaged something that was at one-point very special and emotional. I sound like a religious dude, but I'm really not. I can understand why institutions like the church and state were designed to encourage monogamous relationships for the good of society as a whole and for the benefit of the populace. Because it's easy to be dumb and indulgent and a vast majority of people are indulgent and dumb. I don't know how you solve this without the logical consequence being a totalitarian state? More education, more focus on spiritual enlightenment?

Normally I wouldn't care, but the rising divorce rates, rising report of false rape allegations, astronomical increases of single-mother children, falling birth-rates and increased depression, is going to be an increasingly larger burden on society. At some point you have to be like, ok, people can f*ck who they want, but perhaps some guidance and incentive to stay on a specific path? My rule of thumb is what's best for the children. A society's success in the long-term is defined as it's the ability to successfully rear competent and well-composed children at a consistent rate.

The nuclear family seems to have been by far, the most successful model. Just by BEING in a household with two parents, dramatically increases the success of a child. If casual rampant sex damages this, it's gotta be tempered. And I don't care about how much people b*tch about the patriarchy, women are human, and like men, if given unstructured freedom, an increasingly larger amount of them will abuse it for stupid shit, like casual sex resulting in unwanted pregnancies or abortions. Dudes gotta step up their game, so do women.

Also yeah I agree with you about the freedom to have casual sex, it's just not behavior I morally approve of.

Full disclosure though I am a Christian. I'm not going to pretend to be someone with no religious influence in my stance here.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Also yeah I agree with you about the freedom to have casual sex, it's just not behavior I morally approve of.

Full disclosure though I am a Christian. I'm not going to pretend to be someone with no religious influence in my stance here.

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