Greater feat: Thor pulling the rings vs. Superman Pulling a ship

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h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
They're talking about when Thor freed the gigantic rings that encircled there star.

As for how withstanding the full force of a star is both a strength and durability feat; you might want to Google neutron stars and what happens if something gets too close.

You are an idiot. There is no way the star feat is a superhuman strength feat.
If it was then how was Thor using superhuman strength to resist the force of the star? The beam pushed him, there was no net gravity force (or any other type of force shown). If there was then Thor would have went into the star when he let go or went to wherever the force took him.

Also Thor leaped to the star in the beginning to get there and just stood there. There was no gravity or any other force acting when he was just standing there talking and not holding anything.

It's a durability feat against heat and radiation energy, nothing more.

We do not know how much force it took to free the rings from the ice.
The rings already were supplying a force to free themselves. Thor needed only to supply the remaining force, however much that is.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by HumbleServant
If he had to pull against the mass of a neutron star than Thor wins.
He didn't. The star never pulled him. He stood there at the star talking without holding anything. There was no force on him.

BrolyBlack Restricted

It is odd he was able to breath like take breaths in space, what exactly was he breathing. Also sound cant travel in space, so how was he able to talk.

Thor needed a good feat because up until that point he didn't have a monster feat, but it could be said some of this was fan service not based in any reality.

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The mechanism that was built around the neutron star was there to contain all the neutron star's forces, gravitational pull and all that.
It's all dwarf space magic but that was the idea behind that whole structure. The dwarves had to work that close to the neutron star to make weapons, so the structure was there for them not to die and for them to use and harness whatever they needed from the neutron star.
But when the iris was opened , all the forces from the star came through that opening and hit Thor. Gravitational pull, radiation, gravity, heat, x-rays, etc, etc.
That is what is supposed to be happening in that scene. Thor taking the full force of the neutron star. Eitri even says this in a line of dialogue before it happened. He tells Thor that he is about to take the full force of the star.
There should be no guessing or assuming on that scene if the movies/writters tell you what is happening. Then the special effects team and directors portrayed that scenario as best they could even if there might be slight discrepancies.

BrolyBlack Restricted

If thats the facts then Im cool with that.

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Originally posted by BrolyBlack
It is odd he was able to breath like take breaths in space, what exactly was he breathing. Also sound cant travel in space, so how was he able to talk.

This is just movie nonsense. happens in every sci-fi movie like Star wars or whatever. Ships exploding with big fiery explosions in outer space and things like that.
Look at Aquaman, people were talking underwater. And before somebody says that sound travels better underwater, yes but if you communicate like a ****ing dolphin with clicks and chirps or whales that have certain low-frequency moans, but actual words that are formed with vocal cords that are made to work outside of the water, no that's nonsense.

BrolyBlack Restricted

Yea I didnt see Aquaman, from what I saw in Justice Leauge they made a air bubble around them to talk. But I see your point.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by Inhuman
The mechanism that was built around the neutron star was there to contain all the neutron star's forces, gravitational pull and all that.
It's all dwarf space magic but that was the idea behind that whole structure. The dwarves had to work that close to the neutron star to make weapons, so the structure was there for them not to die and for them to use and harness whatever they needed from the neutron star.
But when the iris was opened , all the forces from the star came through that opening and hit Thor. Gravitational pull, radiation, gravity, heat, x-rays, etc, etc.
That is what is supposed to be happening in that scene. Thor taking the full force of the neutron star. Eitri even says this in a line of dialogue before it happened. He tells Thor that he is about to take the full force of the star.
There should be no guessing or assuming on that scene if the movies/writters tell you what is happening. Then the special effects team and directors portrayed that scenario as best they could even if there might be slight discrepancies.

You are making stuff up. Nowhere in the movie does it explains that.

Also Net Force = sum of all the forces =mass x acceleration
So the net force on Thor can be determined by the product of his mass times acceleration.

The product is very low. Therefore the net force on Thor was low.

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Originally posted by h1a8
You are making stuff up. Nowhere in the movie does it explains that.

"Eitri : You understand, boy, you're about to take the full force of a star. It'll kill you."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154756/characters/nm0227759

Everything else I said can be seen in the movie. Have you watched the movie yet besides just youtube clips?

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steverules_2 Senior Member

Whoops

BruceSkywalker The BatLord of the Jedi

@h1, you lousy dummy.. here.. if you can't read then perhaps your eyes see and your ears can listen...

YouTube video

Silent Master Senior Member

None of h1's crying about RL physics changes the fact the movie showed Thor performing the feat and flat out stated that he was taking the full force of the star.

BTW, you'll notice that h1 only ever tries to use RL physics to dismiss Marvel related feats.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
None of h1's crying about RL physics changes the fact the movie showed Thor performing the feat and flat out stated that he was taking the full force of the star.

BTW, you'll notice that h1 only ever tries to use RL physics to dismiss Marvel related feats.

Figurative language.
The full force can be measured by Thor's mass times his acceleration.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
@h1, you lousy dummy.. here.. if you can't read then perhaps your eyes see and your ears can listen...

YouTube video

Originally posted by Inhuman
"Eitri : You understand, boy, you're about to take the full force of a star. It'll kill you."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154756/characters/nm0227759

Everything else I said can be seen in the movie. Have you watched the movie yet besides just youtube clips?

Figurative language.
Thor experienced heat, radiation, and a net push force.
The actual force (the push force) can be measured within a certain degree of accuracy.

Silent Master Senior Member

Again, no amount of you crying about RL physics changes the fact the movie showed Thor performing the feat and flat out stated that he was taking the full force of the star.

BTW, you'll notice that h1 only ever tries to use RL physics to dismiss Marvel related feats.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, no amount of you crying about RL physics changes the fact the movie showed Thor performing the feat and flat out stated that he was taking the full force of the star.

BTW, you'll notice that h1 only ever tries to use RL physics to dismiss Marvel related feats.


RL physics has nothing to do with anything. Net forces don't exist if their affects aren't shown. That's common sense.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by h1a8
RL physics has nothing to do with anything. Net forces don't exist if their affects aren't shown. That's common sense.

It has everything to do with it, your whole argument is based on how things would work in real life. entertainment doesn't have to get everything perfect in order for it to count. that is what suspension of disbelief is all about.

The Spectre+ Restricted

Originally posted by Inhuman
The mechanism that was built around the neutron star was there to contain all the neutron star's forces, gravitational pull and all that.
It's all dwarf space magic but that was the idea behind that whole structure. The dwarves had to work that close to the neutron star to make weapons, so the structure was there for them not to die and for them to use and harness whatever they needed from the neutron star.
But when the iris was opened , all the forces from the star came through that opening and hit Thor. Gravitational pull, radiation, gravity, heat, x-rays, etc, etc.
That is what is supposed to be happening in that scene. Thor taking the full force of the neutron star. Eitri even says this in a line of dialogue before it happened. He tells Thor that he is about to take the full force of the star.
There should be no guessing or assuming on that scene if the movies/writters tell you what is happening. Then the special effects team and directors portrayed that scenario as best they could even if there might be slight discrepancies.

so do you accept that superman was no where close to death, and only dried up bcos of the ionizing radiation of that nuke, as evidences show that pure heat couldnt have done that. why? We see that there's no burn on his skin, even the suit was intact, heck his hair was still in place.
Therefore with the removal of the ionizing rad factor, supes would have taken the nuke and be fine. Or supes still got dried, but since he obviously wasnt close to dying or dead (as proven by zod&clark that dead krypt would need tremendous amount of energy to be revived) , his feat still remains superior, as thor on the other hand was SURE to have died .

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
It has everything to do with it, your whole argument is based on how things would work in real life. entertainment doesn't have to get everything perfect in order for it to count. that is what suspension of disbelief is all about.
Thor got pushed away with a certain acceleration. Where's the net gravity force? There wasn't any as Thor flew away from the star, not towards.

What about the time Thor stood there next to the star talking? No net forces were acting on him.

Silent Master Senior Member

Like I said, your whole argument is based on how things would work in real life. entertainment doesn't have to get everything perfect in order for it to count. that is what suspension of disbelief is all about.