Originally posted by FrothByte
BP wins. As impressive as Ozy looked he was never really tested against someone with similar stats as his. He looked impressive because he was beating up on guys below his weight class. T'Challa has actually fought and gotten the advantage of superhumans before.
Ozy will not get touched. His skill, speed, fighting style, and perceptions prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Those Superhumans didn't apply any superhuman speed and perceptions against T'Challa.Ozy will not get touched. His skill, speed, fighting style, and perceptions prove it.
Ozy never showed enough speed to "not get touched" in any of his fights. He needed to block multiple hits (touch) that wouldn't be easy when your opponent is as strong or stronger than you.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
No, the problem is that h1 is a known liar and he does it to lowball characters he doesn't like (mostly Marvel characters, probably why you are defending him, I assume?). Ppl assume he is lying because he lies so much that it is the default position that ppl assume he would take.Edit. He likely does it because he is a troll and he gets his jollies from ppl giving him attention. Which is why putting him on /ignore is the best recourse for most any poster in these forums.
Edit2. And we do not "hate" h1. At best he is an annoyance. We bash him because he makes it so easy to mock him and his arrogant attitude and slimey/weasely debating style makes ppl feel that he is deserving of the mockery.
Agreed
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ozy never showed enough speed to "not get touched" in any of his fights. He needed to block multiple hits (touch) that wouldn't be easy when your opponent is as strong or stronger than you.
So you want to act slow and pretend to not know "won't get touched" means he won't get tagged. Stupidity or trolling at its finest.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you want to act slow and pretend to not know "won't get touched" means he won't get tagged. Stupidity or trolling at its finest.
Doesn't matter what you decide it means, the fact remains that Ozy needed to block hits that he won't be able to do so easily when you're getting hit by someone as strong as T'Challa.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1. Your claim what that he can catch bullets from point blank range, whereas the feat you listed actually proves he wouldn't have been able to catch another bullet.Conclusion, your claim was a lie
Given that h1 already clarified his stance before this post, that Ozymandias demonstrated caught a bullet, you're just arguing the semantics of his original post at this point.
2. You claimed Ozy has superhuman strength and speed, only Captain America has far better strength feats and you said he was only peak human.Conclusion, your claim was a lie
Proving that h1 is a hypocrite doesn't disprove his claim that Ozymandias is superhuman, which is what you were allegedly setting out to do:
Originally posted by Silent Master
Good thing Ozy never did any of that.
Furthermore, it doesn't make the claim a lie either.
Rather, it makes his older claim that the stronger Captain America is peak human a lie.
3. You claimed Ozy beat two great fighters at the same time. only by feats neither of those two were actually great fighters.Conclusion, your claim was a lie
What would make them great fighters?
Don't counter h1's stupidity with stupidity my friend.
On-topic, Black Panther stomps. All signs point to Black Panther having similar physicals to Captain America. He could take Ozy's best punch with a smile and likely knock Ozy out in one punch. The bullet catch feat is not enough to place him above BP's range to hit, given that Ozy only barely managed to react to the bullet and had to catch it rather than dodge it (BP hits harder than a handgun), and that Bucky (who is comparable and likely slightly inferior to BP) is able to dodge and block bullets. He should also be at least comparable to Scarlet Witch, who blocked Crossbone's explosion.
Originally posted by Silent MasterS and M what cracks me up is H1s trolling toolkit is not dissimilar to your own when they mood takes you, you should be immune to him.
That should read. He didn't clarify his stance on the issue, he made an excuse to cover up his lie.Edit: that is what I get for using the microphone feature.
Originally posted by FrothByte
BP wins. As impressive as Ozy looked he was never really tested against someone with similar stats as his. He looked impressive because he was beating up on guys below his weight class. T'Challa has actually fought and gotten the advantage of superhumans before.
This right here. We see Rorschach, Nite Owl II, and Silk Spectre II blow through fodder during the course of Watchmen, then they come up against Ozy and get stomped.
The problems for Ozy here are just as you say, Froth:
- Ozy goes to block a strike from T'Challa, but he's blocking a dude's strength that can stalemate Winter Soldier's in plains clothes.
- Ozy can jump long distances, so can T'Challa. T'Challa can drop from a few to multiple stories and land on his feet.
- Both are skilled fighters, but Ozy won't be grabbing Panther and choke-slamming him, because again, T'Challa has the heart-shaped herb flowing through him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy is strong enough to affect Tchalla given his feats.
Ozy has perception ability to see Tchalla much slower than a bullet.
Ozy has the speed and skill to defend against any attack made by Tchalla.Ozy wins this after a long fight.
I also agree with your statements, H1: Ozy could do some damage to Mr. Panther, he has the stats to do so, but I'm going with the consensus of T'Challa, just after a good brawl and not an outright Wakandan stomp.
Froth's argument, as I said before, is sound because T'Challa is someone who Ozy won't blow past like the gunman in Veidt Enterprises' lobby, Rorschach, Nite Owl II, or Silk Spectre II.
Can Ozy win? Sure, but I think the odds favor T'Challa, all things considered.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy is strong enough to affect Tchalla given his feats.
Ozy has perception ability to see Tchalla much slower than a bullet.
Ozy has the speed and skill to defend against any attack made by Tchalla.Ozy wins this after a long fight.
Oh I don't deny that Ozy can hurt BP. It's definitely not going to be a walk in the park for BP. But in the end, nothing we've seen from Ozy shows that he can take out a legit superhuman of BP's stats whereas BP already has the feats to back him up.
And though the bullet catching feat is a pretty good feat, it doesn't make Ozy into the super speedster you seem to imply. If he was, he wouldn't have taken so long to take out an elderly Comedian.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Remember when h1 argued that Hela crushing Mjolnir didn't count because it was an outlier, yet here he is using an outlier for Ozy's speed.More proof that h1 is a troll.
1. You actually disagreed that the Hela feat is an outlier and that it counts.
Therefore, you should accept Ozy's feat not being an outlier and thus counting. Otherwise you are a troll.
2. I actually accepted the Hela feat by arguing that it doesn't prove that she's stronger than Nam.
3. Ozy's feat isn't an outlier. It doesn't contradict every other showing, Where Hela's feat contradicts EVERY other showing of physical strength (not some but all). Therefore Hela's feat is indeed an outlier. Now go to 2. above.