Silver Surfer vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, this was literally a few pages before John discharged the one and only burst of true Entropy he was EVER stated to have used in the E/A... The act destroyed the armor entirely.

But John explicitly states that he still cannot comprehend the suit on that very same page: "I still don't even begin to understand what this hunk of alien metal is about." If anything, IT was controlling HIM... That much was made abundantly clear across several issues.

Exactly Galan! The armor was in a way subconsciously controlling/changing and at the same time gave him control over those entropic powers.

Additionally, getting an undefined "crash course in entropic power control" =/= "every single energy attack I produce is Entropy itself." I feel like Phil explained that more than sufficiently.

Nowhere in the second scan does it state that the blast being emitted by the E/A is Entropy itself. In fact, the blast used by the E/A to KO Earthquake(that's the other character's name) in the second scan was simply referred to as a general "ENERGY PULSE" a few pages later: https://i.imgur.com/fx0LbVf.jpg

For a point of comparison, this is how *actual* blasts of Entropy were described under the SAME writer(ie. Mark Schultz) in the SAME arc/timeframe: https://i.imgur.com/svw5nqa.jpg "...Imperiex's MATTER COLLAPSE AND ENERGY NULL..." *So not only do the blasts LOOK completely different, but they are DESCRIBED completely different as well. That being said, the argument you're trying to make here just... Doesn't work. The E/A only produced a single burst of true Entropy in all of its appearances, which destroyed the armor entirely. Every other blast it generated was simply generic "cosmic energy" of varying magnitude.

Entropy will never remain constant specially when the presence of entropic force is present ... is all im saying ...

wish i could respond to this in a better, properly written way but just too tired hopefully this is making sense..

Originally posted by Philosophía
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By this point, he has been so thoroughly and savagely debunked - to the point where we legitimately even proved negatives, instead of letting the burden of proof be on him - that it's obviously a waste of time to try to educate the 'wiki-man' further.

I have less time to spend on comics as it is, and I'd rather not waste it like this. Damborg awaits.

Nope! Phil does not seem to understand the correlation between Entropic and Entropy.

Entropic powers aren't synonymous with 'every blast' is Entropy, which is something that you're too clueless to understand and, really, even comprehend, after scans have already been posted. You used random scans - against Superman, against Earthquake - and argued that shows different levels of Entropy - when not only those blasts are demonstrably not Entropy [both me and Galan proved a negative] - but the burden of proof was on you in the first place and you came up very short.

If you feel confident in your position, I can easily take the time of the day and wipe the floor with you on this in a battlezone.

The loser will wear a signature saying "I'm Philosophia/Ambient's cum dumpster".

Agree?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If Cyclops eats a burger, and is fuelled by that burger....Does he shoot burger energy from his eyes?

Important question that no one has answered.

Replace Cyclops with Steel, burger with entropic energy and we are good to go.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Important question that no one has answered.

Replace Cyclops with Steel, burger with entropic energy and we are good to go.

i love when ds has his point ignored and has to quote himself to point it out. one of my fave kmc tropes. 👆

You guys suck

Originally posted by Ambient
It wasn't the result of the blast that broke the armor. It was Darkseid severe-ing John's connection to EA - Celey's got a better detailed explanation to that.

Exactly Galan! The armor was in a way subconsciously controlling/changing and at the same time gave him control over those entropic powers.

Nope! Phil does not seem to understand the correlation between Entropic and Entropy. This is why it bugles the mind when u guys talk about Entropy as if it is constant - it is not .

I take that as a open interpretation, you cant really generalized "just energy". Its either Cosmic or entropic ... And i take the latter, to me it just so much resembles that of the other blast scan.

That's good and all Galan, but let me just say that i never claimed both Imperiex and EA are equal in terms of blasting powers. What i wanted to point out is that Entropy is not all equal in destructive level. I gave proof via EA by way of John's Entropic powers.

Entropy will never remain constant specially when the presence of entropic force is present ... is all im saying ...

wish i could respond to this in a better, properly written way but just too tired hopefully this is making sense..

Your a funny guy Phil!

Anyway, in the one scan you've been trying to sell as Entropy, solely because you think the blasts *look* similar(which they really don't- see the scan I posted on the previous page), the E/A's blast was just referred to as a simple "ENERGY PULSE" -- yet under the very SAME writer in the very SAME arc/timeline, a blast of *true* Entropy was referred to as a "MATTER COLLAPSE AND ENERGY NULL"(I posted the scans.) How the blasts are described/referred to on panel holds a LOT more weight than what you personally think they look like.

On top of that, Phil posted a canon bio that explicitly states the E/A fired generic "COSMIC ENERGY". And lastly, the one time the E/A used a blast of *true* Entropy, it was explicitly stated on panel that he was doing so, the E/A armor was destroyed as a direct corollary, and John himself was left clinically dead afterward.

As Phil said: you've been asking us to prove a negative this entire time. That isn't how this is supposed to work, but we proved your negative anyway. The crux of your argument has absolutely NO basis whatsoever. You're welcome to your opinions, but they're far from fact.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If you keep lying about me, you might be tempting me to humiliate you where everybody can see who's not reading this thread.

Entropic powers aren't synonymous with 'every blast' is Entropy, which is something that you're too clueless to understand and, really, even comprehend, after scans have already been posted. You used random scans - against Superman, against Earthquake - and argued that shows different levels of Entropy - when not only those blasts are demonstrably not Entropy [both me and Galan proved a negative] - but the burden of proof was on you in the first place and you came up very short.

If you feel confident in your position, I can easily take the time of the day and wipe the floor with you on this in a battlezone.

The loser will wear a signature saying "I'm Philosophia/Ambient's cum dumpster".

Agree?

No Phil! This is where ur wrong and probably why ur totally missing my point. Anything that Entropic energy touches it gets entropy’d because this is the very nature of this energy, the more entropic energy is introduce, the more it becomes entropy’ed to the point of none existence therefore creating space. This is the fundamental power of Imperiex-Prime heck it’s in Galan’s Impiriex respect thread:

https://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/ea18.jpg.html

Here it even says his got Entropy power.

https://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/ea22.jpg.html

The scan with John in EA armor projecting Entropic and yours with Darkseid mentioning of the entropic force being incubated to power a new Imperiex-Prime was my proof of the many different states of Entropy.

To sum it up, the introduction of Entropic force in DC universe null’ed Entropy being constant, which makes it that the burden of proof lies on both of you and Galan, it being “constant”.

I don’t really have the time for any battlezone and truth be told, I forgot the point as to why my stance to this topic, I was just trying to prove Deadline’s point but since his account got restricted 🤣🤣🤣 .

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Important question that no one has answered.

Originally posted by Galan007
But you have yet to prove that every single blast the E/A ever fired was Entropy. You have yet to prove that Entropy itself has varying levels of intensity. You're essentially just making all that up, and flat-out ignoring the plethora of evidence to the contrary.... Man, this thread has been weird in that regard.

And remind me Galan what evidence you’ve given that suggest entropy is constant ???

n top of that, Phil posted a canon bio that explicitly states the E/A fired generic "COSMIC ENERGY". .

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40...Aegis0.jpg.html

the EA armor emits Cosmic energy and in that ur RIGHT... the armor does control/Project cosmic energy and like I said before that is not what is being debated but rather the Entropic energy that the armor is projecting, the Entropic powers within John which is not covered in the scan u’ve provided above because that bio only contains info of weapons that the heroes possesses/ wear. ”

That’s all there is that needs to be said regarding that bio - is pretty much irrelevant to the topic because it is incomplete, it lacks John, the source of the Entropic force - “ the fundamental power of Impiriex.”

As Phil said: you've been asking us to prove a negative this entire time. That isn't how this is supposed to work, but we proved your negative anyway. The crux of your argument has absolutely NO basis whatsoever. You're welcome to your opinions, but they're far from fa

What part about us not having to prove a negative don't you understand?

So far as we know, Entropy is Entropy. It does NOT vary in intensity... NO evidence in the history of evidence is suggestive of such.

That said, if you're trying to propose the notion that Entropy DOES vary in intensity, the burden of proof falls entirely on YOU to PROVE such with actual evidence... And you haven't even come close to doing so. You're basically just looking at a single artistic depiction of a blast and saying: "yep, looks like Entropy to me!!" Doesn't work that way... Especially when the on-panel description of said blast doesn't so much as allude to it being Entropy. srsly

And you can try to dismiss the slew evidence presented by myself and Phil as "irrelevant blitz scans" all you want, but that won't make it disappear, I'm afraid.

The willful ignorance here is shocking.

Entropy will never decrease but it can increase let’s say by adding more Entropic energy.

Here different state of Entropy in DC universe.

Entropic introduction:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4842039/

Entropy higher State:
https://postimg.cc/CZ7vftYh
But reversible this wouldn’t be the case if it was total Entropy
https://postimg.cc/BPqTx55x

Total Entropy:
https://m.imgur.com/MVxqhjP

And like I said Galan it is not me that needs to provide the burden of proof but you. You have not shown a single shred of evidence and you called me ignorant f@cking insulting.

TBH,you first scan about EA armor states was irrelevant to prove entropy have varying levels.Second scan neither did.
Third scan DD been rebuilded from his remains parts
And you said if total entropy DD wont be able to rebuild logic was also have problem.
For example.Lava could certainly melting any part of your body.And when your arm been bathed with lava,certainly your arm will gone.And you fallen into a volcano lava will totally melting you

Originally posted by Ambient
And like I said Galan it is not me that needs to provide the burden of proof but you. You have not shown a single shred of evidence and you called me ignorant f@cking insulting.

He's shown way more evidences than you throughout this thread, and presented a way better case than you have

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBH,you first scan about EA armor states was irrelevant to prove entropy have varying levels.Second scan neither did.
Third scan DD been rebuilded from his remains parts
And you said if total entropy DD wont be able to rebuild logic was also have problem.
For example.Lava could certainly melting any part of your body.And when your arm been bathed with lava,certainly your arm will gone.And you fallen into a volcano lava will totally melting you

Kinda funny how you’ve given a very good example of entropic heat transfer but totally missed the point...

Anyhow the 3 scan was to show that entropy has varying degree from entropic introduction to total entropy ( which I think Galan/Phil point - total entropy) .

Originally posted by MrMind
He's shown way more evidences than you throughout this thread, and presented a way better case than you have

Too each his own I guess...

Really! Do u know what Entropic force is? What it does to matter or energies? Knowing what it is should frankly by itself be proof enough..

Entropic force in laymen’s term increase entropy in all matter/energy therefore the presence of entropy is INTENSIFIED and intensifies to the point of null.

Entropic force in laymen’s term increase entropy in all matter/energy therefore the presence of entropy is INTENSIFIED and intensifies to the point of null.

There is still semblance or follows similar law, take a look at what Darkseid plan in regards to developing a new Imperiex-Prime requiring to develop Entropic force for a new embodiment of entropy.

They still correlate to each other - Entropy and Entropic..

Why can't you just admit that you were wrong here(or at the very least that you cannot prove the point you're trying to make)..? Instead you're just moving the goal-post all over the place and throwing around irrevalent red herrings/non sequiturs.

It's... cringey.

It's so funny - I just these past few days watched Adam Conover on Joe Rogan.

This almost induces a deja vu.

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