Originally posted by Emperordmb
Surtur is obviously asking about the cultural standards, not the legal standards. Adam oft deflects from cultural to legal when someone criticizes a certain cultural standard of the progressive left.
I did not deflect anything. He asked if he could say a certain thing, and I said there was nothing stopping him, just as there is nothing stopping someone else from saying something back. That is how speech works.
Whether that speech would be well-received depends entirely on the audience. There are as many cultural standards in America as there are Americans, so that question would be too broad to answer.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Right and when Surtur is discussing what the appropriate social response should be, he's speaking to a cultural/moral standard, but AdamPOE is deliberately obfuscating it by treating it as if Surtur is asking for legal protection from criticism/consequence, as opposed to just appealing to the notion that it would be better for people to not have that reaction.
Have you considered that the appropriate social response might be to not say that in the first place?
Re: Why I've Been Redpilled
Originally posted by Lestov16
It has been a long while since I've posted on here, and when I did, I was a massive leftist and Democrat supporter. In the past year and a half though, my political views have shifted massively, and I think that I may find myself closer to conservative ideology than liberal. I still do hold liberal views, but they have either become more centrist, or are outnumbered by my conservative stances. I am still unsure whether I will vote Republican or third party in 2020, but I'm near certain that I won't be voting Democrat. Here are some of my new political views, as well as some of the circumstances that led to them:-Up until 2016, I used to vote Democrat. However, after the Wikileaks hack revealed that
A) Hillary set up Trump to be her "pied piper candidate"
B) Hillary and Obama's involvement in James' Alefantis' pedophile ring
I could no longer in good conscience vote Democrat. As I was not a Trump supporter, I voted for Jill Stein in 2016. I do not support all of Stein's views, and frankly I view her as an environmentalist hippie, but she matched my views moreso than Gary Johnson, and was not nearly as scummy as Hlllary, so for me, Stein seemed like a good choice-I no longer support Islam, to the point where I can say that I am a proud Islamophobe. I view Islam, Mormonism, Rastafarianism, Branch Davidianism, and any other Abrahamic Post-Christian-Prophet religion with the same kind of scorn. I think it's ridiculous that God would go from such a virtuous man as Jesus to lustful polygamists like Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and David Koresh. I think that unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam is an excessively dogmatic and theocratic cult whose extremists will ALWAYS outnumber it's moderates, and as such, it is a dangerous ideology that is obstructing the progression of our species. Because of this, I support the efforts of Trump and European countries that are trying to rid their nations of Islamic influence, and I feel bad for nations like Canada and the UK where criticism of Islam is illegal, allowing the ideology to spread. Note that I do not feel that all Muslims are extremists, but I do feel that moderate Muslims are deluding themselves and should probably convert either to Abrahamic religions (i.e. Judaism or Christianity) or Daoist religions (such as Buddhism or Taoism).
-Because I no longer support Islam, I am 100% pro-Israel, and I support all efforts of the Israelis in their fight against the Palestinians. I am not pro-Zionist and do not support ethnostates, but I am pro-secularism, and Israel is easily the most secular country in the Middle East, being one of the few if only countries where homosexuality and/or women's rights aren't outright illegal. I understand that Israel perpetrates a lot of collateral damage in it's war against Hamas, but as far as I know, every war has collateral damage. The main thing I'm focused on are the goals of the combatants. Israel is clearly trying to achieve a secular state whereas Hamas clearly wants to install a Shia sharia law dictatorship. As such, I feel that being pro-Israel is the only logical choice for me.
-When It comes to LGBTQWXYZ rights, my views are very centrist. I do believe that homosexuality is an innate involuntary trait, and as such I absolutely believe in the legality, marriage, and adoption rights of gay people. With "Transgender" people, however, my views are not so cut and dry. I do support Androgyny, but ONLY as a voluntary form of body art essentially equivalent to tattoos, and as such, deserving of the same rules of those with tattoos, i.e. being that ONLY adults should be allowed to partake in the practice, and those who do should not be allowed in the military (although I have nothing against transgender police officers). I think that "non-binary gender fluidity" is ridiculous bunk science on the same level of Creationism, and I think that indoctrinating children (such as Desmond Napoles) into transgenderism is as disgusting as forcing gay children to get conversion therapies. I also do not believe that the state should pay for transgender hormone treatments and surgeries, because, as I stated, transgenderism is a choice and not a necessity. If any child or adult DOES feel that transgenderism is a necessity, especially to the point of harming themselves, then at that point, it is no longer voluntary androgyny but rather the mental insanity of gender dysphoria, which requires medical treatment rather than delusion-cuddling. Also, when it comes to transgender bathrooms, I think that if an androgynous person has acceptable enough hormone treatments/ surgeries, then they can enter the bathroom of their assumed gender. If they are just an androgynous crossdresser though, they have to use the bathroom they were born to use.
-I find myself in disgust with not only Black Lives Matter, but all Afrocentric platforms in our society (BET, TV ONE, Ebony Magazine, etc.). IMO, the main problem with African Americans is that they view their skin color as overriding their nationality as well as their overall humanity. Black people need to realize that regardless of their skin pigmentation, they are American citizens and as such must integrate themselves into American culture if they want to be viewed as equal. Black people have taken too much joy in segregating their culture, whether it is not allowing Caucasians to say the n-word, or even attacking Caucasians for "wearing black hairstyles" (i.e. Bonita Tindle). Black people's self-segregation and ethnocentrism not only dissuades white people from viewing them equally, but in fact emboldens white supremacists who view their own desires for ethnocentric segregation as justified. Black people have also taken too much enjoy in embracing the "taboo counter-culture" of American society, proudly boasting about materialism, misogyny, violence, and crime as though it is cool, not realizing that their embrace of gang culture makes them seem more like African warlords than American citizens. It's hilarious how liberals, the party of racial equality, LGBT and womens rights, support blacks and Muslims, who are unabashedly ethnocentrism, misogynistic, and homophobic, yet criticize conservatives for being those same things. In addition to all of this, we have the recent wave of fake hate crimes, most notably Pussie Smaggot, as well as the ethnic cleansing of white people out of various African countries. At this point, black people, rather than ending oppression, are merely taking the place of the oppressors, and evolving (or devolving) into the exact stereotypes that led white people to oppress them to begin with.
-When it comes to welfare and universal healthcare, I do believe it is necessary, but only for those who absolutely require it, i.e juvenile and senile citizens, and those with physical/mental disabilities (including wounded/PTSD-inflicted veterans). Able-bodied, mentally sound adults do not need to be given welfare/healthcare for free. I would suggest an UBI and universal healthcare for tax paying citizens as well as the above aforementioned groups, but under no circumstances do I support a welfare state where NEETs get to be unproductive and lazy and still live comfortably.
-When it comes to illegal immigration, I think that this is the most muddled topic for me. On one hand, I do not think that well meaning immigrants should be excluded from our country due to the overtly long bureaucratic system of gaining citizenship. On the other hand, our country shouldn't be The Repository of Failed Nations, especially when many of those nations have had opportunities to repair themselves. As far as violent illegal immigrants and MS-13 goes, I think that illegal immigrants caught doing violent crimes should be subject to military tribunal and execution as domestic terrorist insurgents threatening the American Heartland (I actually think this should apply not just to MS-13, but US based gangs such as the Crips and Bloods as well)
-Speaking of gang members, I have some ideas of how to repair the prison system. Mainly legalize marijuana and psychedlics, release everyone ever arrested for drug possession with intent to use, and place them in treatment programs. Petty thieves and other misdemeanor crimes should be punished with probation, community service, and/or a fine, and repeat misdemeanor offenders should be sentenced to one year in a rehab facility. As far as felony crimes, i.e. rape/pedophilia, robbery, murder, domestic abuse, hate crimes, narcotics/arms/human trafficking, etc. ( and any proven false accusations of these crimes), I think that they, as stated above, should be charged as domestic terrorists and executed by the military. No last meal except for a spam sandwich, march em to the chair, but a bullet to the back of their head, cremate them, and flush their ashes down the toilet. We could essentially wipe out the need for prisons and induce fear into potential felons through threat of death.
These are just some of my new viewpoints. Some are liberal and some are conservative, but they are vastly different from what I used to believe. Make of them what you will.
What is your stance on abortion?
Originally posted by dadudemonI had no problem in the 80s and I got laid first in 81. I never told girls I liked comics though and my visible hobbies were all sports.
I never had any problems. 🙂It's not the 1980s anymore. Video Games and Comic Books are not "loser hobbies for a small fraction of geeks."
Women like it if you have hobbies and passion but not at the expense of ignoring her.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I never had any problems. 🙂It's not the 1980s anymore. Video Games and Comic Books are not "loser hobbies for a small fraction of geeks."
Women like it if you have hobbies and passion but not at the expense of ignoring her.
It's like Butters said about the popular kid in the South Park "High school musical" skit:
"I don't think they like dancing. I think they just like him. No matter what he does."
Originally posted by Surtur
Then it's not appropriate to say "I'm proud to be black" either lol. So okay, glad that's been settled, moving on.
👆
Nobody should be proud of their skin color. Being proud to be an American is natural. Being proud to be Black American is just as racist and foolish as being proud to be a white American, and as such calling out white supremacists without calling out black supremacists is hypocritical.
Originally posted by Lestov16I do agree. World must be near its end.
👆Nobody should be proud of their skin color. Being proud to be an American is natural. Being proud to be Black American is just as racist and foolish as being proud to be a white American, and as such calling out white supremacists without calling out black supremacists is hypocritical.
Re: Why I've Been Redpilled
Originally posted by Lestov16
I think it's ridiculous that God would go from such a virtuous man as Jesus to lustful polygamists like Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and David Koresh.
And what about your notion of morality? Having sex with women outside wedlock to figure out who is good at satiating your lusts? Having kids with women outside wedlock? You might be married but the lifestyle of your kin are obvious.
Muhammad (PBUH) did not create a harem; he "married" women to advance his goals (promotion of Islam). This arrangement is much better than having an harem. This arrangement would also ensure 'political connections' in an environment when UN did not exist and the world wasn't filled with nation-states.
Secondly, SOCIETAL LAWS prevent men from having multiple wives in modern times; many in the West can have a single wife at a time NOT BY CHOICE but due to SOCIETAL LAWS. Push for legalization of polygyny in your country and many will be interested.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I think that unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam is an excessively dogmatic and theocratic cult whose extremists will ALWAYS outnumber it's moderates, and as such, it is a dangerous ideology that is obstructing the progression of our species.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Because of this, I support the efforts of Trump and European countries that are trying to rid their nations of Islamic influence, and I feel bad for nations like Canada and the UK where criticism of Islam is illegal, allowing the ideology to spread. Note that I do not feel that all Muslims are extremists, but I do feel that moderate Muslims are deluding themselves and should probably convert either to Abrahamic religions (i.e. Judaism or Christianity) or Daoist religions (such as Buddhism or Taoism).
Originally posted by Lestov16
-Because I no longer support Islam, I am 100% pro-Israel, and I support all efforts of the Israelis in their fight against the Palestinians. I am not pro-Zionist and do not support ethnostates, but I am pro-secularism, and Israel is easily the most secular country in the Middle East, being one of the few if only countries where homosexuality and/or women's rights aren't outright illegal. I understand that Israel perpetrates a lot of collateral damage in it's war against Hamas, but as far as I know, every war has collateral damage. The main thing I'm focused on are the goals of the combatants. Israel is clearly trying to achieve a secular state whereas Hamas clearly wants to install a Shia sharia law dictatorship. As such, I feel that being pro-Israel is the only logical choice for me.
You are also demonstrating ethnocentrism in this matter - something you complain about in your post at a later stage. Be glad that you do not live in Palestine OR rather what is left of it, or your views would have been really different.
Originally posted by Lestov16
-When It comes to LGBTQWXYZ rights, my views are very centrist. I do believe that homosexuality is an innate involuntary trait, and as such I absolutely believe in the legality, marriage, and adoption rights of gay people. With "Transgender" people, however, my views are not so cut and dry. I do support Androgyny, but ONLY as a voluntary form of body art essentially equivalent to tattoos, and as such, deserving of the same rules of those with tattoos, i.e. being that ONLY adults should be allowed to partake in the practice, and those who do should not be allowed in the military (although I have nothing against transgender police officers). I think that "non-binary gender fluidity" is ridiculous bunk science on the same level of Creationism, and I think that indoctrinating children (such as Desmond Napoles) into transgenderism is as disgusting as forcing gay children to get conversion therapies. I also do not believe that the state should pay for transgender hormone treatments and surgeries, because, as I stated, transgenderism is a choice and not a necessity. If any child or adult DOES feel that transgenderism is a necessity, especially to the point of harming themselves, then at that point, it is no longer voluntary androgyny but rather the mental insanity of gender dysphoria, which requires medical treatment rather than delusion-cuddling. Also, when it comes to transgender bathrooms, I think that if an androgynous person has acceptable enough hormone treatments/ surgeries, then they can enter the bathroom of their assumed gender. If they are just an androgynous crossdresser though, they have to use the bathroom they were born to use.
LGBTQ filth is the greatest threat to societal values that have shaped notable civilizations over time, and homosexuality is NOT HEALTHY way of life. FYI: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
Just wait for pro-pedophilia to gain momentum followed by pro-incest movement. Enlightening discussion here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f75/t650646.html
In fact, pro-bestiality movement will be the endgame or worse. SOCIAL DEGENERATION have no limits, my naive friend.
Originally posted by Lestov16
-I find myself in disgust with not only Black Lives Matter, but all Afrocentric platforms in our society (BET, TV ONE, Ebony Magazine, etc.). IMO, the main problem with African Americans is that they view their skin color as overriding their nationality as well as their overall humanity. Black people need to realize that regardless of their skin pigmentation, they are American citizens and as such must integrate themselves into American culture if they want to be viewed as equal. Black people have taken too much joy in segregating their culture, whether it is not allowing Caucasians to say the n-word, or even attacking Caucasians for "wearing black hairstyles" (i.e. Bonita Tindle). Black people's self-segregation and ethnocentrism not only dissuades white people from viewing them equally, but in fact emboldens white supremacists who view their own desires for ethnocentric segregation as justified. Black people have also taken too much enjoy in embracing the "taboo counter-culture" of American society, proudly boasting about materialism, misogyny, violence, and crime as though it is cool, not realizing that their embrace of gang culture makes them seem more like African warlords than American citizens.
Originally posted by Lestov16
It's hilarious how liberals, the party of racial equality, LGBT and womens rights, support blacks and Muslims, who are unabashedly ethnocentrism, misogynistic, and homophobic, yet criticize conservatives for being those same things. In addition to all of this, we have the recent wave of fake hate crimes, most notably Pussie Smaggot, as well as the ethnic cleansing of white people out of various African countries. At this point, black people, rather than ending oppression, are merely taking the place of the oppressors, and evolving (or devolving) into the exact stereotypes that led white people to oppress them to begin with.
Nothing wrong with being homophobic - gayism is disgusting behavior.
You are guilty of ethnocentrism (see above).
Misogyny and Misandry - both major problems.
Nevertheless, I will not paint all Democrats with the same brush. Many are wise and decent people, but do not perceive the Republicans as being saviors of the country. Republicans should stop being hypocrites themselves.
Some good ideas in the remainder of your post by the way - credit where due.