KMC Comic Book Tiers (v2.0)

Originally posted by MrMind
Black Witch (Legion)
Swamp Thing
Starbreaker
Alan scott with full starheart
Earth 2 Alan Scott (multiversal green)
Cronus
Agamotto
Dweller of Darkness
Ancient One

I think some of them might be SF, just listing potential candidates

👆^exactly like that, lol.

What's your opinion on Cronus, Phil?

I still haven't had time to reread some of his appearances, but I seem to remember him being stacked.

I remember him treating Zeus and Ares like weaklings.

I don't think he has that many appearances, so maybe he shouldn't be included, but I'll have to check.

I still gotta say GA Prime got to be SF, I don't see him one tier above RKT

RKT has a degree of omniscient, was able to easily oneshot mangog or loki, ended the Ragnorak by destroy the threads of fate which kills Those Who Shit above in Shadows, And we already know Those who Shit above in Shadows are way above Odin. Even they are recognizing the power of RKT and want him to join them being God of Gods.

and Insane Genis Vell, he had the upper hand in the battle with King Thor, one shot kill Drang
Drang and Sturm was able to rival king thor and capable of destroy asgard

Then there's massive outlier like, destroy the universe (multiverse) by killing eternity, then shoots entropy in the head recreate universe (multiverse)

why is he trans?

Mxy/Zatanna were scared of Superman Prime, even after getting back the powers, for reference.

But for list's sake, I say we take him off, since we don't have an accurate gauge (his powers were already waning in the fight with Monarch)

Originally posted by MrMind
and Insane Genis Vell, he had the upper hand in the battle with King Thor, one shot kill Drang
Drang and Sturm was able to rival king thor and capable of destroy asgard

Then there's massive outlier like, destroy the universe (multiverse) by killing eternity, then shoots entropy in the head recreate universe (multiverse)

why is he trans?

As for the Eternity stuff...

Firstly, it was implied that Eternity actually WANTED to die, which is the only reason why they were able to kill him in the first place:
https://i.imgur.com/lSDdRfl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vQuQ0Cn.jpg
Genis: "Eternity didn't want to keep going. Couldn't you tell that? If he had, do you think ENTROPY AND I could have bound him so easily? Or at all?"

And as the above scan implies, the issue reiterates that killing Eternity was still SHARED feat between Genis AND Entropy:
https://i.imgur.com/IcdUEOf.jpg
Entropy: "The universe will end eventually. But I tire of eventually. I'd put it, and myself, out of our misery now. I could, however, use your HELP."

https://i.imgur.com/Cl6cdYz.jpg
Intro page: "Hoping to enlist him in a quest to destroy his father, Eternity, and end all creation. Captain Marvel has agreed to HELP Entropy... THEY succeeded."

https://i.imgur.com/dQnxYne.jpg
Genis: "If it makes you feel better...it did slow me down while ENTROPY AND I were busy ending everything."

As for making Entropy go kablooey, I've never really been sure what to make of that. Aside from the fact that Entropy WANTED to end and be transformed, it almost seemed like *any* energy discharge of note could have done the job:

Entropy: "The very act of creation is alien to me. SOME SORT of energy discharge would be appropriate, I should think... But where to begin?"

That said, Genis had given his blaster an undefined "power boost":
https://i.imgur.com/vuSdQ4y.jpg

...Allowing it to do things like one-shot Heimdall, which is fairly impressive I guess:
https://i.imgur.com/NN3qddc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xkUcIjk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lypAm8L.jpg

But yeah, I don't think helping Entropy kill a willing Eternity, and/or helping a willing Entropy commit suicide, necessarily slingshots Genis into the upper-echelons of cosmic power... Especially when his Photon incarnation was implied to the be the most powerful version of Genis ever(because he could actually control his cosmic awareness), yet was still owned by Zemo /w/ Moonstones in the end. /shrug

Some believe Insane Genis was a bonafide abstract-level power, and that's fine. I disagree, though.

Thanks for the answer Galan, I haven't read those captain mar-vell comics in 10 years

could've swore IGV was getting the upper hand, but looks like he and KT were evenly matched

As for the Eternity/Entropy you clear it up. Those respect threads on reddit are misleading lol

not that it completely discredit the feats, IGV still pretty uber but def doesn't seem like he's on the level of bust/create universe at will

when he was photon Genis had a different power source didn't he

Originally posted by Galan007
The 'battle' between Insane Genis and KT was inconclusive at best, and only lasted two pages. They each got in one shot on the other before the scuffle was ended:

*Though it's worth noting that KT's hammer-throw shredded through Genis' shields without issue.

As for the Eternity stuff...

Firstly, it was implied that Eternity actually WANTED to die, which is the only reason why they were able to kill him in the first place:
https://i.imgur.com/lSDdRfl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vQuQ0Cn.jpg
Genis: "Eternity didn't want to keep going. Couldn't you tell that? If he had, do you think ENTROPY AND I could have bound him so easily? Or at all?"

And as the above scan implies, the issue reiterates that killing Eternity was still SHARED feat between Genis AND Entropy:
https://i.imgur.com/IcdUEOf.jpg
Entropy: "The universe will end eventually. But I tire of eventually. I'd put it, and myself, out of our misery now. I could, however, use your HELP."

https://i.imgur.com/Cl6cdYz.jpg
Intro page: "Hoping to enlist him in a quest to destroy his father, Eternity, and end all creation. Captain Marvel has agreed to HELP Entropy... THEY succeeded."

https://i.imgur.com/dQnxYne.jpg
Genis: "If it makes you feel better...it did slow me down while ENTROPY AND I were busy ending everything."

As for making Entropy go kablooey, I've never really been sure what to make of that. Aside from the fact that Entropy WANTED to end and be transformed, it almost seemed like *any* energy discharge of note could have done the job:

Entropy: "The very act of creation is alien to me. SOME SORT of energy discharge would be appropriate, I should think... But where to begin?"

That said, Genis had given his blaster an undefined "power boost":
https://i.imgur.com/vuSdQ4y.jpg

...Allowing it to do things like one-shot Heimdall, which is fairly impressive I guess:
https://i.imgur.com/NN3qddc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xkUcIjk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lypAm8L.jpg

But yeah, I don't think helping Entropy kill a willing Eternity, and/or helping a willing Entropy commit suicide, necessarily slingshots Genis into the upper-echelons of cosmic power... Especially when his Photon incarnation was implied to the be the most powerful version of Genis ever(because he could actually control his cosmic awareness), yet was still owned by Zemo /w/ Moonstones in the end. /shrug

Some believe Insane Genis was a bonafide abstract-level power, and that's fine. I disagree, though.

Truth is that the writer didn't think of the implications like most universal feats of that nature. Thanos did the same kind of shit too, but it's not glorified like Genis was.

Originally posted by MrMind
Thanks for the answer Galan, I haven't read those captain mar-vell comics in 10 years

could've swore IGV was getting the upper hand, but looks like he and KT were evenly matched

As for the Eternity/Entropy you clear it up. Those respect threads on reddit are misleading lol

not that it completely discredit the feats, IGV still pretty uber but def doesn't seem like he's on the level of bust/create universe at will

And like I said above: Genis' Photon incarnation was implied to be his most powerful version, because he could actually control his cosmic awareness(which is something Insane Genis obviously could not do, as that's what drove him insane in the first place) -- yet even Photon's showings aren't tremendously uber. He was seemingly equalish to a standard Sentry(even though both were holding back), and was utterly owned by a simple time-loop created by Zemo /w/ Moonstones.

...That being said, Photon did have the potential to inadvertently destroy the universe if his photonic power would have been left unchecked and allowed to run rampant. So I guess there's that. /shrug

Any other opinions on this set of proposals? Seems like we're plateauing a bit.

Originally posted by Galan007
Any other opinions on this set of proposals? Seems like we're plateauing a bit.

I think it's cause this sub-forum is not generating enough traffic, if this thread is in comic book versus forum, more people will chime in

Hmm.

I might move it to to the CBvF to see if more people want to participate, but I don't think plateauing is necessarily a bad thing. Just means most of the changes and whatnot have already been sorted.

What do you guys think? Move it to the versus forum for a bit(it wouldn't stay there permanently regardless), or just keep the thread here?

you could try moving it for a couple days and see what happens. /shrug

sphinx for trans if he wasn't already mentioned. 👆

Went ahead and made these changes:

Black Witch- SF
Starbreaker- SF
Agamotto- SF
Sphinx- Trans

As mentioned, I think this thread has plateaued, which is a good thing... But if there are any other proposals, we can discuss them now.

Sorry for doing a Nightcrawler.

I'll try to propose some.

So...Gogeta? [jk]
Grandmaster?
Tangent Superman? [I'm not saying skyfather, obviously]
Deask, The proto-Gorr?

It's really hard to think of skyfather that are not 1-2-arcs, lol.
Btw Galan, I think Grayven was voted for mid-herald.

How would all of the metal dark knights be placed