Originally posted by Galan007
Thing with WR is that I can't think of a single trans-level character who could cope with his time shenanigans in a forum setting. /shrug
Thinking of hypothetical scenarios is ok but Waverider is never shown that powerful.
not sure if there are more people that will chime in but here is the current score
Prime skyfather 3 (Phil, MrMind, Abhi) Trans 3 (Pr, Leo, Smurph)
Prime is tied, I remember seein Galan said Prime can be skyfather but I'm not sure, we need another vote
Jenny skyfather 2 (MrMind, Phil) Trans 1 (Leo) above skyfather 1 (Abhi)
I guess we can wait for 1 or 2 more commentin on Jenny?
Uatu skyfather 2 (Leo, Abhi, Smurph)
Uatu to skyfather
Waverider skyfather 2 (Galan, MrMind) Trans 3 (Leo, Abhi, Smurph)
Waverider to trans
Infinity Man Skyfather 2 (Galan, MrMind) Trans 3 (Leo, Abhi, Pr)
Infinity Man to Trans
These two you guys can continue the discussions , but here is the vote
Nabu skyfather or above 5 (Phil, MrMind, Galan, Abhi, Leo)
Mordru skyfather 4 (Phil, MrMind, Galan, Abhi) Trans 1 (Leo)
Originally posted by abhilegendI disagree, but not enough to argue about it here. As always, I'm fine with whatever the consensus is.
Even Odin has been trapped in a time loop before. Doesn't means Waverider beats Odin.Thinking of hypothetical scenarios is ok but Waverider is never shown that powerful.
I also agreed with IM/Waverider to skyfather.
It's funny that we had a vote for them off the list [when we had a cap at trans], then once the list is extended, they go back to previous list, lol.
I want to say more about Prime, but I'll just say I'm for him being at least King Thor level, and refrain from the S-related discussion.
Right? All this stuff seems to come full circle, lol.
Regarding SBP- I would put him at Skyfather, simply because I don't see any Trans-leveler being able to do...what he's done. Granted he's not without a few subpar showings, but imo, his average/highs vastly overshadow his lows to the point where most of his lows can almost be written-off as outliers. /shrug
As for Jenny- I don't know enough about her to comment one way or the other.
ahhh sorry my bad, if I counted Phil's votes then Waverider and Infinity Man would been 3 to 3 tied, at least now it's added to the list lol, btw what happened to waverider you'd think someone like him is not gonna be affected by dcnu reboot, such a fukin cool character
I'm one of the few who gives a shit about wildstorm I doubt anyone else gonna comment on Jenny lol, after all wildstorm was special to me (the age when I read it was the best time of my life)
but she can stay in trans either way, I'm just glad she's not forgotten
Originally posted by Galan007
Oh there is a lot I enjoy about Wildstorm. I just never really got into The Authority for whatever reason.
aye 👆 , Image wildstorm was great, Alan Moore's wildstorm spotlight majestic was one of the best single issue I read
But the best wildstorm came with Ellis after 1998, there's Planetary
also Wildcats vol2 and 3.0 was interesting as well
they don't have traditional superheroes which make the stories much more deeper and sophisticated
it went to shit after 08 number of the beast limited series, where the writer decided to blow the whole earth up
for my part, my vote to keep wr off the list wasn't because i thought he was above trans--it was because his power is just very hard to place. abhi is right--i don't think we can say wr can extend his powers to beat someone like odin when he never has. if we're speculating with regards to his powers, why stop at skyfather and not beyond? his power is just difficult to peg down firmly imo and he doesn't really fit in any level comfortably because of that. /shrug
As mentioned, Waverider has some really high-highs(and not many lows), but there's no reason to get into that here. My personal opinion is that you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the Trans tier who can beat him in a forum battle, but if the majority of you guys think Trans is a good fit for him, then that's where he shall go. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007I agree with all of this [I'd keep Monarch off the list], except Ares.
Vishanti- SF
Monarch- at least SF
Zeus (DC)- SF
Ares without Godwave- Depends which incarnation, but yeah, most of the upper-end Greek Pantheon should be SF
Chthon- Likely too powerful
Atum- SF
Gaea- SF
Phantom Stranger- Definitely too powerful.
I think the current version is pretty shit.
First born he killed ares didn't he, granted dcnu ares is nothing compare to his pre52 self.
but holding boom tube open was def still ridiculous
being the king of greek god and all, there's def argument that he's skyfather. (however dcnu greek pantheons def did not impress me at all)
Don't see him being above skyfather though, Uncuffed WW and Orion was able to trade blows with him. I see him at his peak low end SF
for Ares when I listed him I was thinking about pre52 version since the new52 ares has literally like no feats worth mentioning, he was def above skyfather with the godwave, and SF level without it