Originally posted by Galan007
Vishanti- SF
Monarch- at least SF
Zeus (DC)- SF
Ares without Godwave- Depends which incarnation, but yeah, most of the upper-end Greek Pantheon should be SF
Chthon- Likely too powerful
Atum- SF
Gaea- SF
Phantom Stranger- Definitely too powerful.What about First Born? SF or still too powerful?
Anyway here are a few more characters
Umar
Dormammu
Shazam the wizard
Ego the living planet
Pandora
Originally posted by abhilegend
Chthon is all hype and little substance. He is a skyfather at best.Anyway here are a few more characters
Umar
Dormammu
Shazam the wizard
Ego the living planet
Pandora
Dormammu already on the list
Umar not familiar at all, doctor strange villain isn't she?
Shazam- SF if Pre52
Ego- not familiar
Pandora- Skyfather based on her cosmic standing but does she have any battle feats? seems other than merging the dc timelines she had little feats
Originally posted by PhilHe's complete shit these days. Maybe 'classic' DC Ares should be the version specified..?
I agree with all of this [I'd keep Monarch off the list], except Ares.I think the current version is pretty shit.
Originally posted by abhilegend*Dormammu is already SF on the list.
Chthon is all hype and little substance. He is a skyfather at best.Anyway here are a few more characters
Umar
Dormammu
Shazam the wizard
Ego the living planet
Pandora
Originally posted by Galan007👆
He's complete shit these days. Maybe 'classic' DC Ares should be the version specified..?
Yes for classic at SF.
The rest:
First Born - he's a one-arc villain that will never appear again, from a run that's in large part retconned [Azarello], so his existence in the first place is dubious. I wouldn't bother to put him.
Umar - yes
Shazam the wizard - yes
Ego the living planet - Hm. Not sure yet.
Pandora - am I missing something here?
Vishanti--> off the list--not enough appearances
Monarch--> SF (though if he is SF GA prime should be as well, so we're saying prime=GA prime? that doesn't seem to fit)
Zeus-->SF
Ares without Godwave-->meh, i'd say high trans
Chthon--> off list. not enough appearances and most have him weakened or trying to get his full power...
Atum--> SF or above depending on which showings. not many, so again, maybe not on the list
Gaea-->should be above SF but has so few feats again it's impossible to fairly place her.
Phantom Stranger--> above
First Born--> not enough appearances
Umar--> trans
Shazam the wizard--> SF though not sure how many feats he has to support that.
Ego the living planet--> high trans. his earliest appearances he was def SF, but later appearances mitigated this level.
Pandora--> i echo phil's sentiment.... 😕
*Added the following to the list:
Vishanti-SF
Monarch-SF
Zeus-SF
Ares (classic/DC)-SF
Gaea-SF
Umar-SF
Shazam the wizard-SF
Looks like the consensus was to not include the others because they either don't have enough appearances, or because they're just too powerful. So unless there is any contestation to that, we can move onto the next set of proposals...
Darkseid (Pre 52)
Highfather (Pre 52)
even though new gods was not affected by the reboot, their pre52 level was much weaker than their nu52 selves, They were skyfathers, now they are above. so should we include the pre52 version at all? or just gauge them by their most powerful
Superman-Prime
Rune King Thor
Insane Genis-Vell
Tenebrous
Aegis
Cyttorak
a lot of these are def above Galactus, but I wanna hear you guys opinions on which one would qualify as SF
now the lower ones
Larfleeze
Ganthet
Ymir with Casket of Ancient Winters
Originally posted by MrMindI'm good with not including Darkseid and Highfather because all versions are technically the same beings -- they're just written more powerful now then they were back then. If we differentiate between pre and post DCnU, however, then they'd be SF before and off the list now.
Darkseid (Pre 52)
Highfather (Pre 52)even though new gods was not affected by the reboot, their pre52 level was much weaker than their nu52 selves, They were skyfathers, now they are above. so should we include the pre52 version at all? or just gauge them by their most powerful
Superman-Prime
Rune King Thor
Insane Genis-Vell
Tenebrous
Aegis
Cyttoraka lot of these are def above Galactus, but I wanna hear you guys opinions on which one would qualify as SF
now the lower ones
Larfleeze
Ganthet
Ymir with Casket of Ancient Winters
Superman Prime- You mean from DC1M? Not enough to properly classify him, but based solely on the fact that he is obviously WAAAY above Superman 1M, he'd be off the list entirely.
Insane Genis- I don't subscribe to the majority of his hype. I'd say he's either trans or SF(at best). I'm sure many would disagree, though.
Tenebrous & Aegis- By all accounts they're each about equal to you standard/average Galactus, so I'd leave them off the list.
Cyttorak- Dunno. What has he done outside his realm?
Larfleeze- I'd almost be inclined to keep him off the list, as he is packing the power of an entire Corps, and can wholesale slaughter Guardian-level beings like they're fodder.
Ganthet- SF
Ymir- Defer.
That was what I was thinking as well
King Thor and SBP the lower end of the tier
GA Prime and RKT on the ceiling of the tier
I agree with all your assessment of the list.
it's best if we don't include Cyttorak, even though he doesn't have direct feats. Based on his cosmic standing and what fractions of his powers can do he's def above skyfather
Tom Brevoort thinks Cyttorak is above Zom and Shuman Gorath lol
Originally posted by MrMind
Darkseid (Pre 52)
Highfather (Pre 52)even though new gods was not affected by the reboot, their pre52 level was much weaker than their nu52 selves, They were skyfathers, now they are above. so should we include the pre52 version at all? or just gauge them by their most powerful
i'd leave them off.
Superman-Prime-->sf but like i said, seems he should be a tier above superboy
Rune King Thor-->sf
Insane Genis-Vell-->i'm fine with trans. low end sf at best
Tenebrous-->sf they came across as weaker than galactus to me
Aegis-->sf
Cyttorak-->sf same level as dormmy and mephisto, etc
Larfleeze-->not sure where i'd put him. what do we consider his best couple feats? the tuath feat? he's above the guardians for sure, but not sure that pushes him above high end sf. do we really think he could beat monarch or GA prime...?
Ganthet-->low sf
Ymir with Casket of Ancient Winters=surtur=sf
Darkseid/Highfather - off the list
Superman Prime - off the list
Rune King Thor - skyfather
Insane Genis Vell - trans
Tenebrous/Aegis - it depends, how hard is the '<Galactus' line? They're just below him individually, imo. If it's a hard line, then they're skyfathers. If it's a ballpark, the they're off the list.
Larfleeze - off the list, imo
Ganthet - skyfather
Originally posted by Galan007
If the consensus is to keep GA Prime off the list, then we'd likely have to pull Monarch as well, no?
GA Prime was running out of his amp and still took the explosion that killed and released all of Monarch's power. He always struck me as being a bit more powerful, but maybe not a full tier above him.
*Made the following additions:
Darkseid/Highfather- off the list
Rune King Thor- SF
Insane Genis-Vell- Trans
Tenebrous/Aegis- off the list
Cyttorak- SF
Larfleeze- off the list
Ganthet- SF
Ymir with Casket of Ancient Winters- SF
Still not really sure where to put GA Prime(more opinions there would be appreciated), but aside from him we can move onto more proposals...