2020 Presidential Election Discussion

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
About 240,000 turned out for Obama/Clinton. It dropped to 170,000 for Clinton/Sanders, and it is still there now. Low voter participation is not good for the general election, but it is also an indictment of the central premise of the Sanders candidacy. He did not bring the Revolution. That is why his campaign always cites his number of individual donations, instead of his number of unique donors: it over-inflates their sense of his actual support. He has a ceiling of unique donors who contribute in small amounts over-and-over again. It adds up to a lot of money, and a large number of individual donations, but those are not 1:1 correspondent with actual voters.

I ran across a list of facts about Bernie's donors:

January fundraising by the numbers:

- $25 mil total

- 1.3 million donations

- 648,000+ donors

- 219,000 new donors

- $18.72 average

- 99.9% not maxed out.

* “Teacher” - the most common occupation of his January donors. The 5 most common employers were Amazon, Starbucks, Walmart, the United States Postal Service and Target.

Previous reports:

* Q1: $18.2M
* Q2: $18M
* Q3: $25.4M
* Q4: $34.5M

Bonus stat: In the two way race of 2016, Bernie Sanders raised $21.1 million in the month of January.

Based on those, it looks like Bernie has quite a few Unique donors. And he has a ton of new donors. He got the same amount of donations in Jan that he did in all of 2019Q3. And he got more donations in Jan than in 2016.

So the idea that Bernie is losing steam does not appear to be correct. His base is not lukewarm. They appear to be energized more than ever.

I question where the narrative came from that Bernie is losing his base or his base is not energized as much as before. Who is interested in bringing down Bernie other than Republicans? Who is starting these disinformation campaigns about Bernie Sanders?

I suspect the campaigns for other Democrats running for PotUS.

It will be interesting to see where the other candidates "followers" will bleed off to because that is where the race is going to be decided, imo down the road.

Only 4% remaining and Bernie and Pete are still virtually tied, even closer now. 26.1% v 26.2%

Originally posted by Robtard
Only 4% remaining and Bernie and Pete are still virtually tied, even closer now. 26.1% v 26.2%

Folks are making a bigger deal out of Iowa now then need be, just distribute the delegates and there we go 😉

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think anyone is going to go after Trump once he's loses in Nov. Certainly more of chance than Trump going after Hillary which he still uses "Lock her up!" to get his retards frothing and they still froth, but I wouldn't bet on it.

'Most. Corrupt. President. In. History.' That's not something you want as your legacy. His supporters will largely dry up when he loses.

SDNY is investigating him now. As well as 11 other districts in which he cannot be pardoned.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's still too early to call as there's still 14% of the vote remaining and there's only a 1.3% difference now, but Pete being the 'young idealist guy' winning Iowa is reminiscent of Obama in 2008, as that first victory cemented Obama as a viable candidate.

Though I think Obama was more of a surprise than Buttigieg in regards to Iowa?

Buttigieg worked on the Obama campaign so that might have something to do with it.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
SDNY is investigating him now. As well as 11 other districts in which he cannot be pardoned.

Still think that once he loses in 2020, his acolytes will quickly dry up and the drive to go after Trump for his corruption will dry up as well, people will want to move on.

You only have to looks at Republicans who licked Trump's anus while in office and then did a 180* after they left. eg Paul Ryan "I felt trapped!"

Not saying it won't happen as fact, and I'd laugh if it did, but I'd not bet on it happening.

Originally posted by Robtard
Still think that once he loses in 2020, his acolytes will quickly dry up and the drive to go after Trump for his corruption will dry up as well, people will want to move on.

You only have to looks at Republicans who licked Trump's anus while in office and then did a 180* after they left. eg Paul Ryan "I felt trapped!"

Not saying it won't happen as fact, and I'd laugh if it did, but I'd not bet on it happening.

I can see trump being abandoned if he loses in 2020, but I don't see the dems just letting him get off. Though it'd certainly be the right thing to do I guess.

So now robbie is back to sayin' Trump will lose for certain again after he had just said yesterday that he thinks his chances of winning are better than his chances of losing. Really just need to make up your mind, robbie.

I know you're just looking for a way to save face if he wins (which he will) so you can say "I always said Trump was probably going to win so it really doesn't bother me," or something similar lol.

Because by November the economy could be dipping and then Trump is bye-bye for sure, star/fly. Try and keep up.

Some dems are trying to blame Trump for the shitshow in Iowa saying a bunch of trump supporters flooded the hotlines.

Lol. More proof dems have a bad case of TDS. They can make literally anything about Trump. And of course the only proof we has is their word, which of course we should take.

I will give props: a reporter from Bloomberg deleted a tweet about the story because there is no evidence for it other than the democrats saying it happened lol. So that is a start.

Originally posted by Surtur
I can see trump being abandoned if he loses in 2020, but I don't see the dems just letting him get off. Though it'd certainly be the right thing to do I guess.

They will absolutely abandon Trump if he loses in 2020, he'll be a one-term loser and a greatly disliked President, that's not a legacy you want to tie yourself too politically if you're a career politician. Republicans will probably drag Reagan's corpse out again to soapbox from.

Whomever runs in 2024 against the incumbent Democrat will be trying to distance themselves from Trump whenever the opposition brings up a connection they had with Trump. Don't be shocked if Paul Ryan throws his bid in for 2024 and his catch phrase will be something like : "I respected the office, but I never supported Trump the man, he was not one of us, I felt trapped!"

Originally posted by Surtur
Some dems are trying to blame Trump for the shitshow in Iowa saying a bunch of trump supporters flooded the hotlines.

Lol. More proof dems have a bad case of TDS. They can make literally anything about Trump. And of course the only proof we has is their word, which of course we should take.

I will give props: a reporter from Bloomberg deleted a tweet about the story because there is no evidence for it other than the democrats saying it happened lol. So that is a start.

lmao so it's all somehow "Trump's fault," as usual.

Oh leftists... oh democrats.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
lmao so it's all somehow "Trump's fault," as usual.

Oh leftists... oh democrats.

Originally posted by Robtard
They will absolutely abandon Trump if he loses in 2020, he'll be a one-term loser and a greatly disliked President, that's not a legacy you want to tie yourself too politically if you're a career politician. Republicans will probably drag Reagan's corpse out again to soapbox from.

Whomever runs in 2024 against the incumbent Democrat will be trying to distance themselves from Trump whenever the opposition brings up a connection they had with Trump. Don't be shocked if Paul Ryan throws his bid in for 2024 and his catch phrase will be something like : "I respected the office, but I never supported Trump the man, he was not one of us, I felt trapped!"

I actually wasn't saying they'd abandon him for losing. I think they will abandon him no matter what whenever he leaves office, even if that is in 2025.

Originally posted by Surtur
I actually wasn't saying they'd abandon him for losing. I think they will abandon him no matter what whenever he leaves office, even if that is in 2025.

fair nuff

Caucus results at 97% now. This shit is ridiculous; get yo shit together Iowa.

Bernie is Now 50/50 to Win Nomination as Biden’s Chances Crater: Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight

As a Bernian, that makes me happy.