weapon h vs superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well no, because I am arguing full capacity.

You want to argue that the majority of his showings are applicable to a forum fight, prove it.

prove what, that there are circumstances that make him not have the ability to use his full capacity? ...with the amount of appearances he has? u are asking an impossible question.

hmm.. notable ones...
anointed one was killing him. he is facing death. for some reason, his speed wasn't enough to overcome a guy who is killing him and has no actual superspeed showing. the situation was pretty dire. i mean it was pretty serious there.

or how bout Shadowdragon. he gets punked by a street. you can tell he is trying because he ups the ante, but gets punked again. /shrug

in thanagar he claims as fact that he isn't faster than light. wally has to lend him speed.

claims as fact that he can move almost at the speed of light while searching for sg.

claims he's faster than a speeding bullet. but sometimes that speed is not enough as he couldn't stop a hail of bullets from killing a group of peeps. /shrug

yadda yadda yadda. blah blah blah.. im sure there's a ton more examples.
point is there are many times that his speed is portrayed at varying levels. and this even at extremely dire stiuations. it's why i wince when in a forum fight, his opponent is automaitcally a statue and he can hit said oppenent a million ways to sunday before the other guy can even react.

wouldn't you wince too if every thread thor fights someone, they argue that he will throw a planet on top of a poor schmuck for the win?

sneaky2

Never thought I'd see the day when Pope Carver Gary IX and Sir Leo would be working side by side holding hands. I'm glad you guys have worked out your differences and Carver has swallowed you... into The Church of Gamma Dark Saints.

Cardinal Leonidas has a nice ring to it. Cardinidas

my two cents that nobody asked for... it makes more sense for a character to fight the way they do in the books rather than they could/can/should do. it does seem like supes doesn't mind to go to blows or even take a punch because why not?

i think a rule will shake things up or maybe state 'in character' in the OP from now on. its kinda hard not to devolve into a powerset argument otherwise.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? he was created using cho's blood. how do you figure he shouldn't be limited to chulk's showings....?

Try reading what they say about Cho...

Cho had the power of the Hulk at the time, but didn't know how to use it. Weapon X-successors did, though.

That's why he was ON PANEL trolled for being a weak pussy that would never come even close to his true potential. UNWORTHY OF THE BONDING PROCESS

READ LEO READ

Then he went WWH (which was impressive!) and reverted to Colossus levels

Originally posted by staxamillion
my two cents that nobody asked for... it makes more sense for a character to fight the way they do in the books rather than they could/can/should do. it does seem like supes doesn't mind to go to blows or even take a punch because why not?

i think a rule will shake things up or maybe state 'in character' in the OP from now on. its kinda hard not to devolve into a powerset argument otherwise.

Welcome aboard. Your complimentary Green Yarmulke and burlap sack are already being processed and should be there in 2-5 weeks. You are free to spread the word of Hulk.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
ohhh.. full capacity...

prove what, that there are circumstances that make him not have the ability to use his full capacity? ...with the amount of appearances he has? u are asking an impossible question.

hmm.. notable ones...
anointed one was killing him. he is facing death. for some reason, his speed wasn't enough to overcome a guy who is killing him and has no actual superspeed showing. the situation was pretty dire. i mean it was pretty serious there.

or how bout Shadowdragon. he gets punked by a street. you can tell he is trying because he ups the ante, but gets punked again. /shrug

in thanagar he claims as fact that he isn't faster than light. wally has to lend him speed.

claims as fact that he can move almost at the speed of light while searching for sg.

claims he's faster than a speeding bullet. but sometimes that speed is not enough as he couldn't stop a hail of bullets from killing a group of peeps. /shrug

yadda yadda yadda. blah blah blah.. im sure there's a ton more examples.
point is there are many times that his speed is portrayed at varying levels. and this even at extremely dire stiuations. it's why i wince when in a forum fight, his opponent is automaitcally a statue and he can hit said oppenent a million ways to sunday before the other guy can even react.

wouldn't you wince too if every thread thor fights someone, they argue that he will throw a planet on top of a poor schmuck for the win?

sneaky2

Lol, so I ask for showings with no PIS, and with no context, and with characters proven to be slow...and you give me....PIS showings, and Anointed One, who has no slow showings and is shown holding Flash with his legs ripped off. OK.

IOW, you're telling me it's an impossible task to name showings without those 3 caveats....

Then turn around and say, hey, in the majority of showings, he's slow. Yes, there may be extenuating circumstances in some/many of those slow showings, but it's impossible to say how many are actually valid.

Thanks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you take ALL of Superman's fights.

Let's say he gets tagged in 95% of his fights.

Of that 95%, you need to take away showings where his opponent is just that fast.

So you gave me....Anointed One.

Then take away all his PIS showings.

That makes one's 95% lower, already.

And ignores contextual fights. Fights where he's holding back to protect his friends. Civilians. Trying to talk his opponent down (easy son, we don't have to fight). All the context that a forum fight does not have.

Now what are you left with? If you can give me an answer, then sure, we can safely say 'comic fights are the same as forum fights'.

Go for it.

I guess I should be grateful you didn't post showings of him in a city surrounded by civilians, or fighting Batman or something.

Originally posted by leonidas
i explained the way i thought the battle would go down, and it def involves superman using his speed in varying degrees. in future matches, i think it would also be dependent on WHO he battles and his knowledge of them. for example, we could argue the statue-level speed were he knowingly facing zoom, for example.

the funny thing is no one has even given a definitive opinion on whether wh COULD cut him. do we assume he could? i wasn't 100% sure tbh. what non-magical weapon (ie--something just really sharp) has actually cut superman? not many of them, that's for sure....

we also don't really know just how strong wh can get. since it's chulk, he'd be capped at chulk's feats for purposes of the thread. then we'd need to see some of the luck feats from domino. superman would quickly start to understand just how big a threat wh is, but he'd also know wh isn't out to kill him and that might play a factor as well. it is in character for superman to hold back. it's been shown many times. so how much would he hold back and how long? enough to cost him a win, even by luck?

anyway, regarding your willingness to add a rule--thanks. 👆 we might have to open the discussion to the forum and define it.

i don't think your concerns run contrary to mine. in a comic, superman doesn't go in with a death wish. he just usually mitigates the use of his powers--but again that would be dependent on the threat. for example--he was facing black adam and before the battle even started he stated he knew he didn't have to hold back. in character to me simply means we use comics (regardless of what we irl might find illogical) to determine the characters' most likely courses of action in a forum battle. not sure if that's something you'd agree with or not. we could refine it, get pr and bada to chime in. even open a thread to discuss and get others' input maybe. i'm sort of excited to see something like it added. it would make putting flash (among others) in a match something WORTH discussing again. at least imo. 👆

Dependent on who he fights...

So he sees this guy:

Last time he fought a gray skinned....'hulking' character, with claws and bony portrusions, he died.

Now, he's facing a guy with swords for claws, lol.

How do you think this fight goez?

'I know! I'll puff my chest out again this time, and let him take a swing, because I have full confidence I can tank those punches!!!!'

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, so I ask for showings with no PIS, and with no context, and with characters proven to be slow...and you give me....PIS showings, and Anointed One, who has no slow showings and is shown holding Flash with his legs ripped off. OK.

IOW, you're telling me it's an impossible task to name showings without those 3 caveats....

Then turn around and say, hey, in the majority of showings, he's slow. Yes, there may be extenuating circumstances in some/many of those slow showings, but it's impossible to say how many are actually valid.

Thanks.

where did I say he's slow in a majority of his showings?
smh…

so anything other than making everyone an absolute statue around him is a low showing? not sure what ure saying.
but if that's the case, that's fine.
Just puzzling why you didnt jump on the opportunity to claim that WeapH doesn't have the str and durability to match him. Because you know, Supes has survived black holes and can bench planetary weight. << and im lowballing... lol...

again im not really talking about the fight so much as i'm bringing up the fact that speed for some reason is treated differently from the other stats.

Leonidas

Rough Estimate:

How Many DC Stories Have You Read

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
lol uhh yeah. too much work.. u crazee? AO has no speed showings. Flash legs ripped off most likely by Sela with the swords. he was also ambushed off panel by manitou, Ao, sela. OK.

where did I say he's slow in a majority of his showings?
smh…

so anything other than making everyone an absolute statue around him is a low showing? not sure what ure saying.
but if that's the case, that's fine.
Just puzzling why you didnt jump on the opportunity to claim that WeapH doesn't have the str and durability to match him. Because you know, Supes has survived black holes and can bench planetary weight. << and im lowballing... lol...

again im not really talking about the fight so much as i'm bringing up the fact that speed for some reason is treated differently from the other stats.

Lol ,so how do you know Superman didn't use his speed against AO?

Shake your head harder:

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
when character A moves at lightspeed a handful of times and is a far departure from other speed showings is gospel when compared to him lifting/destroying planets through strength(far departure from majority) is automatically high end

But meh. We both agree he wins, to be continued next time....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol ,so how do you know Superman didn't use his speed against AO?

Shake your head harder:

But meh. We both agree he wins, to be continued next time....

Leo just caused KMC’s Schism

Let the Civil War begin

Darksaint, honest question, who would you give the win in a fight between Darkseid and Superman. How many wins would you give whomever?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was already explained.

Lady Deathstrike's adamantium nanobots, which allow her to extend her limbs and claws (among other abilities), are present in Hulkverine.

https://postimg.cc/LJnGKQs4

He's demonstrated enchanced smell too, from Sabes/Wolvie.
https://postimg.cc/kVhQrwBC
https://postimg.cc/8svh3RD8

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait wait, he has Domino's luck ability AND Warpath's abilities? Can he fly to?

https://postimg.cc/7G2xHYY6

May explain why he can't fly. Although, Warpath's powers randomly change more than anyone in comics.

As for Weapon H's bullet deflection thing, the increased luck comes in because the bullets flew directly back at Domino. That's how I read the scene anyway, as Domino warns about "playing bullets and bracelets" with her. Weapon H is bullet proof though, so he didn't need "complete" protection from luck power like Domino did. Additonally, there is an active element to Domino's powers as her powers have been fleshed out recently. It's entirely possible she is just better at manipulating the probability field, so she "won" the luck duel when her bullets went through Weapon H's claws.

Weapon X used Domino's DNA to give androids her luck power too. It's not Weapon H, obviously, but the whole arc was about using that Weapon X line up to make the perfect weapon.
https://postimg.cc/sMLxsL9T
postimg.cc/BLTZcsm1

Originally posted by carver9
Darksaint, honest question, who would you give the win in a fight between Darkseid and Superman. How many wins would you give whomever?

You can make the thread, you know.

Instead of going off topic here, in some effort to get Darksaint.

Originally posted by StyleTime
👆 Yuriko pointed this out to the squad too.

https://postimg.cc/LJnGKQs4

He's demonstrated enchanced smell too, from Sabes/Wolvie.
https://postimg.cc/kVhQrwBC
https://postimg.cc/8svh3RD8

Yes, although Agger explains that some powers may be untapped currently. Weapon H, on paper, is Chulk plus the former lineup of Weapon X.

https://postimg.cc/7G2xHYY6

May explain why he can't fly. Although, Warpath's powers randomly change more than anyone in comics.

As for Weapon H's bullet deflection thing, the increased luck comes in because the bullets flew directly back at Domino. That's how I read the scene anyway, as Domino warns about "playing bullets and bracelets" with her. Weapon H is bullet proof though, so he didn't need "complete" protection from luck power like Domino did. Additonally, there is an active element to Domino's powers as her powers have been fleshed out recently. It's entirely possible she is just better at manipulating the probability field, so she "won" the luck duel when her bullets went through Weapon H's claws.

Weapon X used Domino's DNA to give androids her luck power too. It's not Weapon H, obviously, but the whole arc was about using that Weapon X line up to make the perfect weapon.
https://postimg.cc/sMLxsL9T
postimg.cc/BLTZcsm1

Who wins, IYO?

Weapon H tracks Superman by smell here. Superman might be a quickie, but he can't betray the speed of Weapon H's sniffer.

Using real world logic here; you'd be hard pressed to throw a pair of panties past Carver's face. It's not that he's actually got good head movement, it's that he can smell it coming a mile away. You could throw a freshly worn pair 10 feet away from Carver's face while he's sleeping and it's still going to *splat* in his face while you catch an elated grin underneath.

Now imagine Carver's nose enhanced to the power of 10 with super powered kryptonian ass sweat, and literal luck powers? If Weapon H simply throws a clawed hand up to catch the smell, Superman is running right into his own demise. Front, back, it doesn't matter.

I thank Styletime for finally making this thread clear. He's always thinking outside the box. 👆

Originally posted by StyleTime
👆 Yuriko pointed this out to the squad too.

https://postimg.cc/LJnGKQs4

"Like us".

Someone needs to remind Creed he's lost his adamantium sometime before the M-Day, lol.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He's demonstrated enchanced smell too, from Sabes/Wolvie.
https://postimg.cc/kVhQrwBC
https://postimg.cc/8svh3RD8

Against Leader most recently, too.

He uses it quite often.