weapon h vs superman

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I might come back to this statement of yours if it interests me enough.
For now for curious readers, I'll just leave the following.

https://agingcapriciously.com/2016/05/22/the-fallacy-of-the-double-standard/

Good straw-manning on your part, though.

Yup.

So Hulk has one showing from Pak (as acknowledged by you), and we therefore take it as gospel.

For Superman, he needs to show it in the majority of his showings to be considered.

He can think three moves ahead of everyone except Barry.

i'm not sure where the whole--wh gets full capacity but superman doesn't--thing is coming from. maybe it's because i have certain posts on ignore. /shrug

again, what is wh doing that he hasn't done in a comic that would indicate he is somehow operating differently than superman...? i have GRANTED him, for the purpose of the thread, his POTENTIAL powers, but that doesn't mean he's ACTING in ways that he hasn't already shown in comics. tell me exactly what he is doing that would be seen as ooc.

anyway, my take--unlikely wh would even use claws initially. superman would know literally nothing about him. would he dodge the first blow? maybe? even odds he'd think he could tank the hit. MOST characters can't damage him enough for him to really worry.

after the first hit he'd be like--huh, that might be a problem and amp his speed. he hits wh and wh is like--huh, THIS could be a problem.
maybe wh amps his speed to whatever degree he can and calls on his claws and luck powers if he can't hit. then it comes down to superman's speed vs the luck. can he get in enough hits to ko wh? can his hv put wh down?

it turns into what imo COULD be a fun discussion instead of--SPEEEEDDZZZZZ!!1!1 it also takes into account how the characters are portrayed IN COMICS. explanations for PIS are given all the time in comics, we just don't like them, or buy them as logical. but if we're dealing with comic characters, we should be dealing with comic logic as well.

phil mentioned ss would be relegated to blasting--very true. but we see him use more exotic powers in certain circumstances. it would require people know more ABOUT the characters they debate, and require further, and maybe different types of support.

anyway, like i said--i think a definition of IN CHARACTER is really noticeably absent from the rules. odd, since we profess to be a character-first type forum. is a definition something that might be considered being added?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because of instinct.

Try going through an entire day by blinking slowly. Slow yourself down. Doesn't matter what happens - dry eyes, a bug flies in, a new Thor comic is released - if it makes your eyes tear up, slow those blinks down.

I bet that soon you'll forget, and pretty soon your blinks will be back to your uncontrolled, high speeds.

If I suddenly put an ice cube down your shirt, your instinctive reactions would be at high speeds.

Strength? Much more controllable. I can pull my punches so as not to hurt a friend. Or not go at my full max strength when at the gym. Sure, I can also hold my speed back, but that goes out the window when instincts kick in.

Like, say, if a punch hits or a giant claw starts piercing my soft skin.

also this is comics man. i is tired of your real life shenanigans.
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and if I hear more of your Chinese satellites comparisons, "I'm gonna lose it" like Tony Stark.

p.s. I already said Clark edges him. leave me alone!!!

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure where the whole--wh gets full capacity but superman doesn't--thing is coming from. maybe it's because i have certain posts on ignore. /shrug

again, what is wh doing that he hasn't done in a comic that would indicate he is somehow operating differently than superman...? i have GRANTED him, for the purpose of the thread, his POTENTIAL powers, but that doesn't mean he's ACTING in ways that he hasn't already shown in comics. tell me exactly what he is doing that would be seen as ooc.

anyway, my take--unlikely wh would even use claws initially. superman would know literally nothing about him. would he dodge the first blow? maybe? even odds he'd think he could tank the hit. MOST characters can't damage him enough for him to really worry.

after the first hit he'd be like--huh, that might be a problem and amp his speed. he hits wh and wh is like--huh, THIS could be a problem.
maybe wh amps his speed to whatever degree he can and calls on his claws and luck powers if he can't hit. then it comes down to superman's speed vs the luck. can he get in enough hits to ko wh? can his hv put wh down?

it turns into what imo COULD be a fun discussion instead of--SPEEEEDDZZZZZ!!1!1 it also takes into account how the characters are portrayed IN COMICS. explanations for PIS are given all the time in comics, we just don't like them, or buy them as logical. but if we're dealing with comic characters, we should be dealing with comic logic as well.

phil mentioned ss would be relegated to blasting--very true. but we see him use more exotic powers in certain circumstances. it would require people know more ABOUT the characters they debate, and require further, and maybe different types of support.

anyway, like i said--i think a definition of IN CHARACTER is really noticeably absent from the rules. odd, since we profess to be a character-first type forum. is a definition something that might be considered being added?

So what is WH's base speed level? What is Superman's?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Technically shouldn’t it be worshipping the One Below All?

Gamma is magic

Hulk is all things possible now. He can be your Night in shining Gamma, or he can be your worst Nightmare. Our Lord has taken to a form more suited to fight the darkness of the world currently, but all things are possible for him. Once he has stopped limiting himself with complex Gamma Calculations in his Gamma Trials, he will ascend once again to the All Prevailing Green Light that bathes all of us in life. He is an Omnipotent God feared by Dieties of other Beyonder religions, but he is not above lowering himself to live among mortals.

Hulk simply is...

Hulk

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
lol wtf?
strength can be reflexive and instinctual. one can take str and make a whole mess of real life comparisons. hush up.

also this is comics man. i is tired of your real life shenanigans.
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and if I hear more of your Chinese satellites comparisons, "I'm gonna loose it" like Tony Stark.

Lol. So we are back to Superman will see the claws slicing into him, and will be like golly gee,that sure hurts!!

What speed levels does Superman enter forum matches? And how quickly does it take him to shift out of this level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. So we are back to Superman will see the claws slicing into him, and will be like golly gee,that sure hurts!!

What speed levels does Superman enter forum matches? And how quickly does it take him to shift out of this level?

Hard to say. I'm betting he's fast enough to dodge a majority of Weap H's attacks. He would have to put him down quick.

Majority? Why not all?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

also this is comics man. i is tired of your real life shenanigans.
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Originally posted by carver9
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Maybe you can answer.

What is Weapon Hs speed? What speed level does Superman start at in a forum match? Lois Lane? Penguin? Alfred level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Majority? Why not all?

Why do we fight the Gamma in our souls? Before you push away Hulk, you should do human calculations on your own self worth and realize it amounts to nothing in the green face of our Lord. Let the great Gamma Star lead you all on your paths to truth.

For the Bruce, the Hulk, and the Gamma Spirit. Hulk bless you all.

once he realizes the claws CAN harm him, then he could dodge whatever was thrown at him. but we have the luck powers to take into account as well. we would also have to look at how hard he punches in super speed mode and could he ko wh that way. and just how fast WOULD superman go? i dunno. up to you or whoever to prove. would wh eventually go for a kill? how would the luck power come into play?

lots to consider if we factor in both fighting in actual character imo.

Lol... Bran has gone crazy.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
dunno. im going by in comic portrayal. for wutever reason...

So you take ALL of Superman's fights.

Let's say he gets tagged in 95% of his fights.

Of that 95%, you need to take away showings where his opponent is just that fast.

Then take away all his PIS showings.

That makes one's 95% lower, already.

And ignores contextual fights. Fights where he's holding back to protect his friends. Civilians. Trying to talk his opponent down (easy son, we don't have to fight). All the context that a forum fight does not have.

Now what are you left with? If you can give me an answer, then sure, we can safely say 'comic fights are the same as forum fights'.

Go for it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe you can answer.

What is Weapon Hs speed? What speed level does Superman start at in a forum match? Lois Lane? Penguin? Alfred level?

He starts off at the levels portrayed in comics when he is fighting Hulk level beings. Even when he is fighting other kryptonians he doesn't operate anywhere close to where you are putting him.

Originally posted by carver9
He starts off at the levels portrayed in comics when he is fighting Hulk level beings. Even when he is fighting other kryptonians he doesn't operate anywhere close to where you are putting him.

Ok.

Hulk blitzes superspeed characters, right? That's Hulk level? He tags Quicksilver, he tags Spiderman, he tags Gladiator, you name them, Hulk has punched them.

So Superman starts at that level? That's what Hulk level means? Or is Hulk level slow?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure where the whole--wh gets full capacity but superman doesn't--thing is coming from. maybe it's because i have certain posts on ignore ...

again, what is wh doing that he hasn't done in a comic that would indicate he is somehow operating differently than superman...? i have GRANTED him, for the purpose of the thread, his POTENTIAL powers, but that doesn't mean he's ACTING in ways that he hasn't already shown in comics. tell me exactly what he is doing that would be seen as ooc.

anyway, my take--unlikely wh would even use his claws initially ...

Near as I can figure, that's just the standard debate spiel from D.S. and Philosophia, especially from D.S., as Phil's being relatively reasonable.

My actual take is relatively close to Pr's; Superman, acting in character, will likely get tagged by Weapon H. However, judging from the little I've seen of him, that first attack will be a doozy, and far more effective than would be predicted, for Weapon H seems not only to be an INCREDIBLY good strategist, he is also aided by Domino's luck power, which increases his accuracy and good luck, and decreases Superman's own probability of success. I'd personally go with a thunderclap followed by a nerve punch to paralyze or stun Supes for a sec, and follow with a knockout blow.

Game over. If Domino with her Daredevil level physical stats was able to take down 2 sentinels and the Red Hulk, of all people, someone with her luck and agility combined with Hulk-level strength, Adamantium, etcetera, should be able to KO big Blue in a first encounter more often than not without extraordinary difficulty.

Now the one thing I haven't seen anywhere yet is anybody actually posting Weapon H fighting, if they did they did it real recently or poorly or in such a way that it got overlooked and if it's even finally a post or 2 or few before mine now it won't matter, 'cause you wrote it while I was composing this message and you just ought to have done it earlier.

Anyway:

None of which is anywhere close to Superman seeing punches coming and being fast enough to think three moves ahead of everyone except Barry.

Everyone, of course, including Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Now what are you left with? If you can give me an answer, then sure, we can safely say 'comic fights are the same as forum fights'.

Go for it.