Drag Queens being Brought to Public Schools to read to kids

I feel that you are seeking to push the debate towards an argument I never made.

First, you are insisting that I take a person position on the matter. Thing is, my position (and yours as well) is from a position of ignorance. We are just not equiped to make completely informed decisions on this. What do I feel is my opinion from an uninformed position? My opinion is that I need to see more information to make as informed a decision as I can. Personally, I have no position I’d like to take just as of now.

Secondly, the intention of my statement wasn’t to determine if the motivations behind the actual decision to ban transgenders itself (by the administration) was transphobic or not. Again, I am not psychic so I wouldn’t know. I was stating if the idea itself of having a selectiveness geared towards transgenders within the military has a foundation of logic. Granted, admittedly, the way I stated my sentence IS a bit misleading (it should have wrote “if selectivity is based purely on prejudice...” NOT “if THE selectiveness is based solely on prejudice”) and may have understandably confused you so I will admit that fault (I was kinda replying with under 2 hours of sleep and a hangover at the time). But if you view my sequence of responses, it would be obvious that this was my intention from the very beginning.

Originally posted by Raptor22
@Nib

U might not get to decide but u can still have an opinion.

Was it a military decision? Or from the President and the courts?

Either way i find it hard to believe that u would simply put ur blind trust in the military without question. A cpl months ago did u feel trans should be allowed to serve because the military decided it was ok? If it gets reversed in a few months or a year will that change ur mind again?

Also i may have missed it but was the suicide rate amongst trans or any metric for it ever mentioned as a reason for this decision by either the courts, president, or military? All ive found are money related grievances. Such as not wanting to pay for hormones or meds.

"Mr. Trump made the declaration on Twitter, saying that American forces could not afford the “tremendous medical costs and disruption” of transgender service members."

Or things like-

"The president, Ms. Sanders said, had concluded that allowing transgender people to serve openly “erodes military readiness and unit cohesion, and made the decision based on that.”

Which seems to address this question quite nicely.

"The question I sought to ask here was if the selectiveness against trans applicants is based solely in deep seated prejudice" -Nib

Even tho a study commissioned by the Pentagon says-

"Citing research into other countries that allow transgender people to serve, the study projected “little or no impact on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness or readiness” in the United States."

And recomended -

"Recommendations
DoD should ensure strong leadership and identify and communicate the benefits of an inclusive and diverse workforce to successfully implement a policy change and successfully integrate openly serving transgender service members into the force."

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

As far as i can tell the supposed reason is financial (even tho the effect seems to be minimal) and apparently unit cohesion (which would most likely be caused by deep seated prejudice).

Has anyone official (not on KMC) been throwing around this 40% suicide rate as a reason?

There's irony in not trusting the military to NOT have someone die for their country.

As I stated in my "Redpilled" thread, indoctrinating juveniles into androgyny is as disgusting as forcing gay kids to get conversion therapies. Transgenderism should be an adult decision only.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Drag queens should and have the right to have story time at schools.

Originally posted by MythLord
That had nothing to do with my comment at all. 😬

I wasn’t replying in response to you or I would have quoted you, pea brain.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Drag queens should and have the right to have story time at schools.

Originally posted by MythLord
That had nothing to do with my comment at all. 😬

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I wasn’t replying in response to you or I would have quoted you, pea brain.

haermm

Eh, honest mistake. I apologize.

You seem to be a bit tense, tho, friend.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That depends, the question is entirely too broad.

For example, asking whether the gender of a non-binary person is fixed depends entirely on what you mean by gender.

If by gender, you are referring to the experience of that person of their own gender, then yes, it is likely fixed.

But if by gender, you are referring to the category they have proposed to better classify their gender, then the answer would be no, because the category is just a label they have created, and can be changed.

Drag performers are often cisgender, so this question would not even apply to them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Suppose you are in a horrific accident, and you body dies. But to save your life, your mind is put into a computer. Would you still consider yourself a man? Would you be delusional for having a fixed gender identity irrespective of not having a body?

The fact that they are not living naked, shitting in the woods.[/b]

Originally posted by mike brown
I'm trying to understand what you're saying.. I think I party get it... Gender is basically just an internal feeling of identity? And you feel that identity is down to biology and genetics.. no room for environmental factors?

Sex is between your legs, and gender is between your ears. Identity is how you experience your gender, and expression is how you show that experience to others. That body state and that brain state line up for the vast majority of people, but not always. You would not say that environmental factors could change you from one sex to another after birth, so what makes you think they could change you from one gender to the other after birth? Your brain state is fixed the same way your body state is fixed. It just happens that sometimes, they are not fixed in the same place.

Originally posted by mike brown
No. But that's only cause I already lived as a man etc that I think of myself that way. If you took my mind it out my brain at birth and put it right into the computer then I dunno what it would even mean to think of myself as a man?

If your mind was placed in a computer before birth, you would never experience gender at all, and would be unable to discover your gender identity. That is why the thought experiment is set after birth; you need an awareness of identity before you can see if it changes, remains the same, or goes away.

Originally posted by mike brown
See, I really don't understand why someone like yourself would be so compassionate towards the plight of trans people, yet you happen upon something even weirder and it's just instant dismissal. I'm not saying I believe that these people are really tapping in to some mystic connection to animals, just that they are genuine in believing this. People believe and act in ways that contradict their beliefs all the time.

I do not see anything weird about trans people. Sexual reproduction is not perfect. If it was, the term birth defect would not exist. We know intersex people are born with ambiguous or dual sets of genitals. We know gay people are born with the same plumbing as their same-sex counterparts, but with the wiring of their opposite-sex counterparts. It is not crazy to think that likewise, transgender people are born with body and brain maps that do not line up. It is just a naturally-occurring variation that results from an imperfect reproductive process.

There is nothing about otherkin that is remotely like that. I am pretty confident that the human brain cannot map to the brain of a non-human animal, let alone imaginary creatures and fictional characters. There is no biological mechanism that could even explain that. It is just attention-starved Autists who want to feel special.

@ nib

Wasnt my intention to push an argument u never made. If thats how it came off my apologies.

U are right about me pushing for ur personal position on the matter. Thats simply because i respect ur opinion and was/am curious as to what u thought/think.

With that said, this-

"Thing is, my position (and yours as well) is from a position of ignorance. We are just not equiped to make completely informed decisions on this. What do I feel is my opinion from an uninformed position? My opinion is that I need to see more information to make as informed a decision as I can. Personally, I have no position I’d like to take just as of now." - Nib

Is absolutely perfect, i couldnt agree more, and responses like this are exactly why i sought ur opinion im the first place.

Also with u 100% on the sleep thing. I dont know what time zone u were in but it was like 3am for me lol.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If your mind was placed in a computer before birth, you would never experience gender at all, and would be unable to discover your gender identity. That is why the thought experiment is set after birth; you need an awareness of identity before you can see if it changes, remains the same, or goes away.

I do not see anything weird about trans people. Sexual reproduction is not perfect. If it was, the term birth defect would not exist. We know intersex people are born with ambiguous or dual sets of genitals. We know gay people are born with the same plumbing as their same-sex counterparts, but with the wiring of their opposite-sex counterparts. It is not crazy to think that likewise, transgender people are born with body and brain maps that do not line up. It is just a naturally-occurring variation that results from an imperfect reproductive process.

There is nothing about otherkin that is remotely like that. I am pretty confident that the human brain cannot map to the brain of a non-human animal, let alone imaginary creatures and fictional characters. There is no biological mechanism that could even explain that. It is just attention-starved Autists who want to feel special.

You sound ridiculous.

He is ridiculous, nothing he says hold water, it’s just random shit posting disguised to look half intelligent.

Library apologizes for allowing child sex offender to entertain children at 'drag queen storytime'

Weird.

Now the same leftists that shout "if it even saves one life!!" about gun control will no doubt demand this practice end if it "even prevents one molestation".

Originally posted by Eon Blue
You sound ridiculous.

You are ridiculous.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
You sound ridiculous.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You are ridiculous.

Female HS student files civil rights complaint: 'I felt very violated' changing in locker room when transgender student was 'looking at me'

Good.

Belongs here too I guess, for those who won't read the triggered thread:

Trans activists fail to block research suggesting gender dysphoria is 'contagious'

Originally posted by Surtur
Belongs here too I guess, for those who won't read the triggered thread:

Trans activists fail to block research suggesting gender dysphoria is 'contagious'

How many times do you need to be told that a Drag Queen isn't a transsexual?

A DQ is a man who dresses up in women's clothes and makeup (often exaggerated) for the purpose of entertaining. They're entertainers.