Team Dc vs Team Marvel (herald tier, mid tier, etc)

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Lol let's not forget apocalypse is a very smart villain with shape shifting abilities
now marvel teams seems to have vulcan who would drain most of them
super skrull could go invisible are create force fields inside their bodies not to mentioned hell worry be busy with captain britian

Not smarter than Brainiac. Or even Luthor.

Vulcan can be negated by TP. Or Parasite.

Going invisible means nothing when half the guys don't need their sight (they came still see in infra red, or have super hearing etc).

Cap Britain is a non factor.

But I can see you have nothing to counter my points, and are just throwing everything and anything you can think of

Base argument:. DC mindrapes Marvel here. If you can present a counter to it, feel free to do so.

It took an entire team of the most powerful psychics on Earth just to attempt to fight Brainiac, on his own. Now, he has help, from speedster telepaths

Take out Brainiac looks like Alberto didn't know Braniac got an upgrade. Could argue that Doom is smarter than Luthor.

Originally posted by Deadline
Take out Brainiac looks like Alberto didn't know Braniac got an upgrade. Could argue that Doom is smarter than Luthor.

👆 plus Ares, Despero and H'el, IMO. TP - when most of the Marvel team have no defence against - is a big plus, even before one gets into the speed argument.

I mean, yeah, sure, Hela is powerful (assuming we don't have her current levels). But considering Despero MO is to mind control his opponents, can she ALSO fight Vulcan/BB/Thor etc off?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 plus Ares, Despero and H'el, IMO. TP - when most of the Marvel team have no defence against - is a big plus, even before one gets into the speed argument.

I mean, yeah, sure, Hela is powerful (assuming we don't have her current levels). But considering Despero MO is to mind control his opponents, can she ALSO fight Vulcan/BB/Thor etc off?

Lets just replace Brainac first. How about Mongul or Frankenstein? It could be argued that maybe Thor could deal with the speed.....

*looks at Marvel team again* Ahhh I really want Marvel to win but I dunno, got some serious heavy hitters on DC.

EDIT: *looks again* Oh no DC has shaggy man....

Probably Mongul. Never got the love for Frank. But then, Mongul has so few feats. Zod? Just because he actually has been seen more.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Probably Mongul. Never got the love for Frank. But then, Mongul has so few feats. Zod? Just because he actually has been seen more.

Ok Zod.

I dunno if DC mindrapes Marvel. I think Apoc has been shown to easily use a TP blast on Xavie,r are they gonna mindblast Hela? Thor, Glads and Hyperion could arguably deal with FTL speed attacks.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok Zod.

I dunno if DC mindrapes Marvel. I think Apoc has been shown to easily use a TP blast on Xavie,r are they gonna mindblast Hela? Thor, Glads and Hyperion could arguably deal with FTL speed attacks.

Glads isn't there, I don't think. I think you are looking at Klaw, the Black Panther villain? Which may further influence your decision as to who wins, when a major player is now gone.

Not just a TP blast, it's more a mind control. The difference being, it gives one side the numbers advantage.... suddenly, you're having to fight them AND your own team mates (which is what Despero does).

Ruddy absorbs their powers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Glads isn't there, I don't think. I think you are looking at Klaw, the Black Panther villain? Which may further influence your decision as to who wins, when a major player is now gone.

Not just a TP blast, it's more a mind control. The difference being, it gives one side the numbers advantage.... suddenly, you're having to fight them AND your own team mates (which is what Despero does).

Ok the only thing that I can think of is this. It seems to me the people with the strongest TP resistance are Apoc, Doom, Hela and mmmmaybe Vulcan. Maybe this group can create a defence (like a force field) for the characters that are not mincontrolled, while they're behind the shield maybe they could reverse Desperos mind control. I could possibly see Apoc and Hela doing this but they would have to do it behind a protective barrier so they wouldn't have to fight the others and undo the mindcontrol.

Doom could possibly resist the TP because he has a strong will and is a skilled practionner of magic. In Mighty Avengers he nearly defeated the whole team by conjuring up a vast army of mindless ones. That is one viable tactic to deal with being outnumbered. I've also seen the male Thor shurg off mind control from Phoenix enhanced Emma maybe Jane could do the same.

EDIT: Vulcan has absorbed magic maybe he could literialy absorb TP?

i also suspect Sersi could resist Desperos....I also could see Nova's worldmind blocking out Desperos TP. I just can't see Despero mindcontrolling Nova nd nothing happening.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
her feats https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:681261

tell me how she's being beaten lol

The problem is that Marvel team has way too many sides that aren't straight punches. Nearly all are thinkers in battle. They don't beat you straight up. They out maneuver you.

@galan007 And how much of team DC immune to Cersies mind manipulation? How many on DC side are energy projectors and therefore fodder and batteries to amp Vulcan?

And yes, Hela is in fact likely immune to being turned to salt. She's a ****ing goddess that's feared by a ****ing ENTIRE COSMIC PANTHEON!!

..if Apocalypse was so easy to stop with TP,wouldnt Jean,Cable,Xavier,Nate etc been did it?🤔...Dude has Stalemated High Evolutionary and Loki but gets Lowballed here..wow..Tp wont work on Vulcan,Black Bolt,Dr Doom,Sersi..Definitely Hela and Im sure The others that are trained warriors with strong wills..

Whats H'els defense vs Transmutation and Matter Manipulation...cause he fought Kryptonians whose fighting method is punching and kicking🤔

.H'el has No defense against this..most of them dont

I bet Sersi abilty to Transmute is Better then Firestorms..She is 5th level amongst Eternal..and these ppl have Thousands of years of Experience.
Firestorm finally showed his ability to transmute organic matter but he doesn’t have control of it

Originally posted by Deadline

EDIT: Vulcan has absorbed magic maybe he could literialy absorb TP?

He kept Oracle around during the arcs with Rachel too. She'd have pegged him otherwise.

Originally posted by StyleTime
We've already seen mental attacks works on him though. He kept Oracle around during the arcs with Rachel too. She'd have pegged him otherwise.

i thought vulcans reistant to tp?

Hm. It's a little more even if you make them fight one on one. Matching them to their opposite squares.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The problem is that Marvel team has way too many sides that aren't straight punches. Nearly all are thinkers in battle. They don't beat you straight up. They out maneuver you.

@galan007 And how much of team DC immune to Cersies mind manipulation? How many on DC side are energy projectors and therefore fodder and batteries to amp Vulcan?

And yes, Hela is in fact likely immune to being turned to salt. She's a ****ing goddess that's feared by a ****ing ENTIRE COSMIC PANTHEON!!

..if Apocalypse was so easy to stop with TP,wouldnt Jean,Cable,Xavier,Nate etc been did it?🤔...Dude has Stalemated High Evolutionary and Loki but gets Lowballed here..wow..Tp wont work on Vulcan,Black Bolt,Dr Doom,Sersi..Definitely Hela and Im sure The others that are trained warriors with strong wills..

Whats H'els defense vs Transmutation and Matter Manipulation...cause he fought Kryptonians whose fighting method is punching and kicking🤔

.H'el has No defense against this..most of them dont

Originally posted by Galan007
So Marvel has no counter for salt transmutation? Thought not. 👆

are you serious? she's the goddess of death, and loki's daughter

Originally posted by Deadline
Take out Brainiac looks like Alberto didn't know Braniac got an upgrade. Could argue that Doom is smarter than Luthor.

Is this true, Alberto?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
are you serious? she's the goddess of death, and loki's daughter

She'd make some tasty salt 👆