Originally posted by DarkSaint85Right, now that I am back, I can give you the attention you deserve.
Depends on who we use. n52 Parasite (as in the latest versions), was absorbing Hal 'Willpower' Jordan, Barry 'Speedforce' Allen, Wonder 'God of War' Woman, and Batman at once. Yes, he was also overloaded by Damage, so yes, he has limits. But don't forget, there are a fair few people on Team Marvel present.
If using pre-52 Parasite (as in the pic), then he can DEFINITELY absorb punches to the face. He can even 'speed steal', in a fashion:
https://i.imgur.com/DusGafC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xFpB5yQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HxWPZEe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fO0voxt.jpgKO and killed?
https://i.imgur.com/FiOLr9X.jpgEven when he's unconscious he can still pull energy:
https://i.imgur.com/TUiG5Qy.jpg
Yea but theres no reason for us to think it's pre-crisis Parasite. It looks to me like Alberto just got some random pic on the net. He's not thinking about that so we assume current versions.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Blade and Spitfire also fought Mindless Ones:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36135/3823662-0512242527-Blade.jpg
Like all characters not all showings are going to be awesome. For example I think sometimes they can just turn up randomly and they're not neccessarily much of a threat. However these mindless ones were conjured up and directed by Doom and we saw what they did so we can ssume they're on the highier end of the spectrum.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Parasite is pretty fast himself. He DOES fight a certain speedy guy, after all. He doesn't just slowly stand there draining.
I think it's fair to assume that it's current Parasite think you're reading too much into the pic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Jane/BRB aren't Thor, any more than I can use Hal Jordan feats for Kyle (also using GL rings) or Superman feats for Supergirl (Kryptonian), or Captain Marvel feats for Black Adam (Wizard Shazam) etc etc.
That depends though if you don't have feats what you can do is extrapolate and figure out what the most likely conclusion is. We know that Jane Thor is supposed to be > Thor and we know that in order to lift the hammer you need to have certain attributes one of them being a strong will. If a green lantern turns up and we know that this lantern is more powerful than Hal even if he doesn't have any will power feats we can assume his will is sronger.
Now I don't know about BRB but as far as I'm aware BRB is supposed to be = Thor, for starters I think it's stated that Stormbreaker is = Mjolinor.
At any rate I'm willing to compromise on BRB but not Jane Thor, not because I like the character or anything but it just seems to me that was her whole thing she was supposed to be greater than male Thor. I also think if you're were pushed on this question and you had to guess I think you would agree more likely than not that she would have a stronger will.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Despero is > Oracle and Mentor. You don't have to be Dr Strange level to mess with Vulcan's head.
No but I think Alberto pointed out that this was a younger Vulcan.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, Despero ALONE isnt, but with Brainiac and H'el helping? And now Doom, Apoc and Hela have to not only deal with Team DC, but ALSO, Klaw, BB, Nova, Iron Man, Sersi, Cap Britain, Creel, Human Torch, Hyperion, Super Skrull, Ronan, Terrax and the Mighty Klaw?? That's ignoring BRB and Jane, btw, who unless we are shown feats, we cannot just share them. Otherwise, Superman's feats are being used, Hal, etc.
Yea but lets add Sersi to the list because she can do THIS.
http://i.imgur.com/Ch4HmDX.jpg
It's not a willpower feat but we know that she has to be a high level psion to do that and to be a high level psion you have to have a strong will by default.
Also she had a psionic battle with Exodus if you look at the scans you can see Exodus attacking her mind.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_05a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_07a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_07b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_08b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_11a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_11b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_12a.jpg.html
It looks like a stalemate to me Sersi was temporarily stunned and would have got back into a fight but Exodus flew off, the bottom line is that both hit something that exploded which clearly contributed to her being stunned not a lack of willpower. Dane also said something about having a calming effect on her I think it had something to do with them having a mental link, making somebody calm in a fight I don't think is going to help.
This is what Xavier said about Exodus.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220758/Avengers_v1_369_-_part_5_23.jpg.html
Even if that happens it's not entirely over. Doom can summoun mindless ones to engage them and Sersi can cast illusions and can free people from imindcontrol.
http://i.imgur.com/ZBZUQhP.png
I'm sure Hela has some tricks up her sleeve. I suspect that Hela could realize were the source is coming from and one-shot him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
After all, that's precisely what Despero's MO is. He mindcontrols teams and makes them fight each other. And now he has a ton of help.
Are you even sure that nu52 Despero can mindcontrol them? Apparently Atomica has resisted his TP and so has Martian Manhunter and I don't think MM> Xavier either. If you're talking about illusions then maybe but Sersi can cast illusions to.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It didn't take long, no. But these three TOGETHER (Despero, Brainiac and H'el) are far faster, powerful, and ruthless than those two.
We agreed no Brainiac. As stated earlier they will have to deal with mindless ones and illusions.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A couple more points:'Mindless Ones' are just begging for Firestorm to turn them all into salt, tbh. He can cut loose because they aren't sentient.
Is he going to do that though? It looks to me like he'll just try to enegage them normally and by the time he realizes whats going on it will be too late. Captain Marvel doesn't have transmutation skills but she does have AOE attacks. Wonder Man has superhuman reflexes he thought everything was going to be fine....
Doom could also one-shot him with an incantation anyway.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And one more thing:So you say H'el and the other speedsters WON'T use their speed (even though they have plenty of showings doing so, and plenty in terms of proportions - H'el only appeared for like one storyline, for example, and he used his speed VERY consistently), and that H'el WOULDN'T use his size shrinking, or teleportation to the Sun etc....but now suddenly Doom is Ovoid mind swapping etc? Hmm.
Nope never said that, what I'm saying is that they tend not use it straight away. For example everybody keeps talking about The Flash and his FTL he rarely does that in the JLA unless he really needs to eg when fighting a speedster white martian. Apart from that he's usually at normal speedster levels.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
how is casually shutting down someone tp and keeping it shut down at will from distance by altering the electrical currents in there brain not tp defense?
Here is what TP defense looks like. Fantomex's is tech based, but it blocks Irma despite her already having a mental link with him.
https://postimg.cc/LJyQThWS
https://postimg.cc/0bs45TST
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Style knows nothing of Marvel, even less of telepaths.
We are all like ignorant children in the presence of Maestro Marvel.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea but theres no reason for us to think it's pre-crisis Parasite. It looks to me like Alberto just got some random pic on the net. He's not thinking about that so we assume current versions.
Like all characters not all showings are going to be awesome. For example I think sometimes they can just turn up randomly and they're not neccessarily much of a threat. However these mindless ones were conjured up and directed by Doom and we saw what they did so we can ssume they're on the highier end of the spectrum.
That depends though if you don't have feats what you can do is extrapolate and figure out what the most likely conclusion is. We know that Jane Thor is supposed to be > Thor and we know that in order to lift the hammer you need to have certain attributes one of them being a strong will. If a green lantern turns up and we know that this lantern is more powerful than Hal even if he doesn't have any will power feats we can assume his will is sronger.
Now I don't know about BRB but as far as I'm aware BRB is supposed to be = Thor, for starters I think it's stated that Stormbreaker is = Mjolinor.
At any rate I'm willing to compromise on BRB but not Jane Thor, not because I like the character or anything but it just seems to me that was her whole thing she was supposed to be greater than male Thor. I also think if you're were pushed on this question and you had to guess I think you would agree more likely than not that she would have a stronger will.
No but I think Alberto pointed out that this was a younger Vulcan.
Point still remains. Despero is > Mento and Oracle, let alone Despero+Brain is +Hel.
Yea but lets add Sersi to the list because she can do THIS.http://i.imgur.com/Ch4HmDX.jpg
It's not a willpower feat but we know that she has to be a high level psion to do that and to be a high level psion you have to have a strong will by default.
Also she had a psionic battle with Exodus if you look at the scans you can see Exodus attacking her mind.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_05a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_07a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_07b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_08b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_11a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_11b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/202...07_12a.jpg.htmlIt looks like a stalemate to me Sersi was temporarily stunned and would have got back into a fight but Exodus flew off, the bottom line is that both hit something that exploded which clearly contributed to her being stunned not a lack of willpower. Dane also said something about having a calming effect on her I think it had something to do with them having a mental link, making somebody calm in a fight I don't think is going to help.
This is what Xavier said about Exodus.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220758/Avengers_v1_369_-_part_5_23.jpg.html
Even if that happens it's not entirely over. Doom can summoun mindless ones to engage them and Sersi can cast illusions and can free people from imindcontrol.
Lol all your scans show is Sersi being attacked, that attack being effective, and Exodus running off. Which obviously won't happen in a forum fight.
So thanks, you've just proven Sersi would get mind picked here.
I'm sure Hela has some tricks up her sleeve. I suspect that Hela could realize were the source is coming from and one-shot him.
Are you even sure that nu52 Despero can mindcontrol them? Apparently Atomica has resisted his TP and so has Martian Manhunter and I don't think MM> Xavier either. If you're talking about illusions then maybe but Sersi can cast illusions to.
We agreed no Brainiac. As stated earlier they will have to deal with mindless ones and illusions.
Is he going to do that though? It looks to me like he'll just try to enegage them normally and by the time he realizes whats going on it will be too late. Captain Marvel doesn't have transmutation skills but she does have AOE attacks. Wonder Man has superhuman reflexes he thought everything was going to be fine....Doom could also one-shot him with an incantation anyway.
Nope never said that, what I'm saying is that they tend not use it straight away. For example everybody keeps talking about The Flash and his FTL he rarely does that in the JLA unless he really needs to eg when fighting a speedster white martian. Apart from that he's usually at normal speedster levels.
Forum rules. Also, what is normal speedster levels??
Originally posted by Deadline
Aquaman has beaten him using BFR via teleportation. Apoc can teleport him or any other person with teleportation.I think it could end up with H'el versus 2 guys or three, for example could he beat Jane Thor, Vulcan and Apoc at the same time?
You might have to clarify what you mean exactly as far as I'm aware Nova can do the same with the Nova corps but for how long I don't know.
Don't you mean just skyfather leve? In other words as powerful as Odin. Well Hela is at laset subskyfather and if she teams up with Doom maybe they can beat Ares. Doom has been contender for Sorcerer Supreme and we know how powerful some of the people Dr Strange has beaten.
I think Doom will beat Lex. Doom has too many options, he doesn't just have advanced tech but magic and psionic powers. He could use his ovoid body swapping technique to switch bodies and take out Lex while he is figuring out what's going on.
And someone like Ares or H'el can teleport him right back.
H'el fought and beaten the Superman family at once. It would have to be a pretty powerful 2-3 members.
Kyle can access any of the Emotional spectrum (Red, Orange, White, Green,etc..). He's beyond top tier, IMO.
Depends on which Ares. Ares was the God of War, along with being a Death god. He's the only skyfather level opponent on both sides.
Lex has a friggen Imp as resources. That trumps anything Doom has. Like I said, you don't want to mess with current Lex. He has five out of the 7 forces in the universe, along with a crap load of resources at his call.
Originally posted by Deadline
No but I think Alberto pointed out that this was a younger Vulcan.
All that stuff is the current Vulcan we're all familiar with. He never lived up to his forum hype.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That's based on nothing, frankly. Unless you have proof otherwise.
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No it isn't, the problem is that they're two different situations. With Doom it is a controlled and focused attack with a portal opening with mindless ones who are there to specifically destroy the team. If you read the context of the story were you got those scans that was a random attack of mindless ones who were roaming around and who just happened to bump into Spitefire and Blade.....and they ran. If they had stayed behind they would have died. Bare in mind Spitfire is a vampire speedster, so not only does she has speedster speeds she has superhumans trength and claws.
You should see what happens later on in that arc where they have to stay and fight Plokta. Blade and Spitfire get joined by other team members and Plokta states that he needs just to summoun a 'few' mindless ones to keep them busy, which is exactly what they do and in this case they couldn't run and had to stay and fight. Plokta was just toying with them if he wanted to do what Doom did and sent in overwhelming force he could have killed them instantly. So the only reason why Blade and Spitfire survived is essentially because they ran
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Where does it say one needs a strong will? Only if they are worthy. Which can mean anything. Mon El has almost no feats, but Daxamites =Kryptonite, so I am going to give him Superman's feats. You cannot just make things up. If they have no feats, then.....They have no feats, period.
No.
If pushed, I'd say no she doesn't. Because she has no feats to suggest she does.
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Yeah your right on this issue I'm simply saying that sometimes if you have no feats you can guess what the likely conclusion is however since Despero has good feats mindcontrolling people with strongwill it would be unfair to give BRB and Jane Thor the benefit of the doubt. The question though is which Despero are we talking about?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85With an amp. A younger Vulcan, with an amp. Rachel mind blasted him just fine.
Point still remains. Despero is > Mento and Oracle, let alone Despero+Brain is +Hel.
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I'm gonna be honest with you I'm not sure if that's the case. Here's the thing Nu52 Despero doesn't have any feats mindcontrolling a super team really. He's messed up Firestorm who was a rookie, Element Girl and couldn't fully TP a female Atom because she was small. Now the problem here is this....MM is below Xavier and MM stomped Despero. MM stated the only reason why Despero gave the JLA trouble before was because he was holding back and fighting with JLA rules, he wasn't using JLA rules that time so he got stomped.
The other exampels of Despero using mindcontrol is as far as I'm aware are on an unexpecting JLA. To be precise he used illusions to mess with their heads. The problem is that Captain Britain has resisted a similar attack from Plokta a being who is a duke of hell who can warp reality. Oh and Plokta created The Mindless Ones, so I'm thinking Plokta >>> Despero. Also this
Captain Britain already has a strong will plus a suit that blocks out TP attacks.
The only example I know of Despero getting people to fight each other is with ordinary Thanagrians not super teams. Nu52 Desperos MO is to use TP on his opponents to read their minds and give them illusions that mess with their head but has done it against an unexpecting JLA. So are you sure that Despero can use his illusions against Vulcan who has resisted a similar attack and is ready for it? Bare in mind MM stomped him in a proper fight.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Lol all your scans show is Sersi being attacked, that attack being effective, and Exodus running off. Which obviously won't happen in a forum fight.
So thanks, you've just proven Sersi would get mind picked here.
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With all dues respect you need to take another look. What the scans show is Sersi stalemating Exodus in a TP battle, she was doing fine and stated that she could fight him forever. War Machine talks about the sparks they were given off and was concerned that they were near a bus and it would cause an explosion, and that's exactly what happens. Due to the fact she was perfectly fine fighting him with TP its the explosion that caused her to get stunned not Exodus. Bare in mind that scans don't show everything. For example after this.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220954/X-MEN307_08b.jpg.html
The scene moves we see Black Widow giving a speech to politcians and then we move to another scene were the X-men are trying to stop people from killing each other and having conversations. Then we move here.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220955/X-MEN307_11a.jpg.html
So Sersi and Exodus were fighting for a good while and she was perfectly fine until the explosion. So it's the explosion that sunned her not the TP. Bare in mind people get stunned all the time in fights and carry on fighting, that doesn't equal a win but obvioulsy if you opponent stops fighting you you're gonna take that time to get you're second wind.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is that in the story arc it could be argued that Exodus > Xavier. Exodus one shots Jean Grey and Xavier is too scared to psi-battle him in a one on one confrontation so he trys to hit Exodus with a sneak attack. This is what happens.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20221003/Avengers_v1_369_-_part_5_32.jpg.html
It pretty much looked to me that Exodus was getting read to whup his butt but Dane stopped him. So Sersi was stalemating that guy but only got stunned by an explosion. Despero is going down.
Oh Bleeding Edge Iron Man has TP shields
http://i.imgur.com/boRO2vP.png
Originally posted by DarkSaint85So you're giving one side all their tricks....But DC won't do things because they don't usually do it. Lol.
Lol. Yes, I am sure. But look at how you're willing to give one side the benefit of the doubt despite ZERO showings, and then the DC side.....Has to prove every single item (to the extent that one of the most powerful telepaths in DC has to prove he can...Use mind control.
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Nope never said that. I said that DC can use their tricks but I don't think they will use it straight away, which is why I gave The Flash example. I've rarely seen Flash go over FTL when fighting opponents and I've only seen him use the infinite mass punch once, he used that because he was fighting another speedster who was about to kill Kyle. So my point is if team DC or Marvel see things going badly then they will pull out the tricks. Doom won't use the Ovoid mind trick unless he's desperate and he's not going to summoun mindless ones unless thing start poing really bad. Which is what happened in The Mighty Avengers issue. The Avengers had pretty much beaten all Doom's defences and were getting very close to him to he pulled out the big guns.
I think me giving BRB and Jane Thor the benefit of the doubt has irritated you slightly and I think rightfully so, I'm just trying to give team Marvel a win. If they have zero feats and Despero does it would be wrong to give them precedence I was just trying to see what I could get. However I do think in certain incidents you can make an argument when there are no feats but not in the case if Despero had feats to back him up, I just don't think he has.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Alberto, the OP, didn't. So..... brainiac is still present.[/B]
Yeah but I'm talking to you and we agreed that Brainac would be too much, so we agreed to replace him with Zod. However since I think Despero isn't a threat if Braniac isn't > Xavier I might attempt to argue for Marvel.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Is Hela going to dip into her bag of tricks? Is doom mind swapping? Summoning Mindless ones? Etc etc.
Forum rules. Also, what is normal speedster levels?? [/B]
Yeah and forum rules state that fighters will fight using their personality. However I could be wrong if you can prove that He'l will use his speed from the outset and teleport, then sure.
Normal speedster levels seem like below light speed and many times the speed of sound.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
And someone like Ares or H'el can teleport him right back.H'el fought and beaten the Superman family at once. It would have to be a pretty powerful 2-3 members.[/B]
I'm thinking Jane Thor, Hyperion and Apocalypse. If Doom summouns mindless ones it could 4 vs He'l, maybe add Vulcan to the list.
Originally posted by Senor CageKyle can access any of the Emotional spectrum (Red, Orange, White, Green,etc..). He's beyond top tier, IMO.
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I could have sworn I read somewhere that Nova could channel the full force of the Nova corps through him.
Originally posted by Senor CageDepends on which Ares. Ares was the God of War, along with being a Death god. He's the only skyfather level opponent on both sides.
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You sure Hela isn't skyfather? Well it's said she's a rival to Mephisto and Mephisto seems skyfather to me, sometimes he seems to come across like an abstract. I think at the very least she could hold her own against him. Doom beats Lex and Sersi beats Despero. It could be Hel, Doom and Sersi vs Ares. Dooms real sneaky and is notorius for stealing powers from being much more powerful than himself.
Originally posted by Senor CageLex has a friggen Imp as resources. That trumps anything Doom has. Like I said, you don't want to mess with current Lex. He has five out of the 7 forces in the universe, along with a crap load of resources at his call. [/B]
That Imp is standard equipment? So is Lex Johnny Thunder now? I don't think somehow.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Where does it say one needs a strong will? Only if they are worthy. Which can mean anything. Mon El has almost no feats, but Daxamites =Kryptonite, so I am going to give him Superman's feats. You cannot just make things up. If they have no feats, then.....They have no feats, period.
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By the way one last thing on this point. I think it's pretty obvious that you can argue that being worthy includes having a strong will. Just by common sense you can't be a good person if you don't have strong will because you have to resist temptation and adversity. Furthermore how are you going to defend Earth and Asagard if you don't have a strong will? Especially when the hammers are coming from a realm were magic use is common place.
So obvioulsy having a strong will is essential. However the question is how strong? That doesn't neccesarily prove that you can resist somebody as powerful as Despero without feats.
Originally posted by Deadline
No it isn't, the problem is that they're two different situations. With Doom it is a controlled and focused attack with a portal opening with mindless ones who are there to specifically destroy the team. If you read the context of the story were you got those scans that was a random attack of mindless ones who were roaming around and who just happened to bump into Spitefire and Blade.....and they ran. If they had stayed behind they would have died. Bare in mind Spitfire is a vampire speedster, so not only does she has speedster speeds she has superhumans trength and claws.
You should see what happens later on in that arc where they have to stay and fight Plokta. Blade and Spitfire get joined by other team members and Plokta states that he needs just to summoun a 'few' mindless ones to keep them busy, which is exactly what they do and in this case they couldn't run and had to stay and fight. Plokta was just toying with them if he wanted to do what Doom did and sent in overwhelming force he could have killed them instantly. So the only reason why Blade and Spitfire survived is essentially because they ran
Firestorm turns ALL of them into salt at once.
I'm gonna be honest with you I'm not sure if that's the case. Here's the thing Nu52 Despero doesn't have any feats mindcontrolling a super team really.
Lol. So he can use illusions to fool superteams all at once.
He can mindcontrol
But....he cannot mindcontrol superteams?
That's as silly an argument as saying 'Superman can lift a pencil; he can lift 100tons; but no scans exist of him lifting a 100ton pencil - ergo, he cannot'.
The only example I know of Despero getting people to fight each other is with ordinary Thanagrians not super teams. Nu52 Desperos MO is to use TP on his opponents to read their minds and give them illusions that mess with their head but has done it against an unexpecting JLA. So are you sure that Despero can use his illusions against Vulcan who has resisted a similar attack and is ready for it? Bare in mind MM stomped him in a proper fight.
With all dues respect you need to take another look.
So Sersi and Exodus were fighting for a good while and she was perfectly fine until the explosion. So it's the explosion that sunned her not the TP. Bare in mind people get stunned all the time in fights and carry on fighting, that doesn't equal a win but obvioulsy if you opponent stops fighting you you're gonna take that time to get you're second wind.
Nope never said that. I said that DC can use their tricks but I don't think they will use it straight away, which is why I gave The Flash example. I've rarely seen Flash go over FTL when fighting opponents and I've only seen him use the infinite mass punch once, he used that because he was fighting another speedster who was about to kill Kyle. So my point is if team DC or Marvel see things going badly then they will pull out the tricks. Doom won't use the Ovoid mind trick unless he's desperate and he's not going to summoun mindless ones unless thing start poing really bad. Which is what happened in The Mighty Avengers issue. The Avengers had pretty much beaten all Doom's defences and were getting very close to him to he pulled out the big guns.
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Yeah but I'm talking to you and we agreed that Brainac would be too much, so we agreed to replace him with Zod. However since I think Despero isn't a threat if Braniac isn't > Xavier I might attempt to argue for Marvel.
Yeah and forum rules state that fighters will fight using their personality. However I could be wrong if you can prove that He'l will use his speed from the outset and teleport, then sure.
Nah.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
But I will entertain you.
http://i.imgur.com/FWq5wog.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QLlX3BB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xzLOmFq.jpg
And against Flash:
http://i.imgur.com/BPXPtHt.jpg
Normal speedster levels seem like below light speed and many times the speed of sound.
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question138434.html
Lightspeed is 881 THOUSAND times faster. So a speedster doesn't have to be travelling 'at lightspeed' to be faster than these guys. Even 10% of lightspeed is still 88 thousand times faster than sound.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Lol. Spitfire's speed is enough to deal with Mindless Ones (I note no mention made of Blade)? How fast do you think the speedy guys on Team DC are?
A few Mindless Ones can keep street/meta tier level characters busy. OK.
Firestorm turns ALL of them into salt at once.
Lol. So he can use illusions to fool superteams all at once.
He can mindcontrol
But....he cannot mindcontrol superteams?
That's as silly an argument as saying 'Superman can lift a pencil; he can lift 100tons; but no scans exist of him lifting a 100ton pencil - ergo, he cannot'.
Vulcan, who had an amp, was against WEAKER characters, and is against a team composed of Brainy, H'el AND Despero? Yeah, I'm sure.
So...a bus level explosion would take her out of the fight? Lol.
So when Team DC have superspeed, and they see things are going badly, they will then....use their speed and win. Either way, they win.
But it's Albert's thread. Not mine, not yours. I can agree with someone else here that I now replace Team Marvel with normal humans, that doesn't mean bupkis. You want to argue with Zod, make your own thread and I will meet you there.
Nah.
But I will entertain you.
http://i.imgur.com/FWq5wog.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QLlX3BB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xzLOmFq.jpgAnd against Flash:
http://i.imgur.com/BPXPtHt.jpgLol do you realise how wide that gap is???
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question138434.html
Lightspeed is 881 THOUSAND times faster. So a speedster doesn't have to be travelling 'at lightspeed' to be faster than these guys. Even 10% of lightspeed is still 88 thousand times faster than sound. [/B]
Whatever man I'm done.
Originally posted by Deadline
I'm thinking Jane Thor, Hyperion and Apocalypse. If Doom summouns mindless ones it could 4 vs He'l, maybe add Vulcan to the list.I could have sworn I read somewhere that Nova could channel the full force of the Nova corps through him.
You sure Hela isn't skyfather? Well it's said she's a rival to Mephisto and Mephisto seems skyfather to me, sometimes he seems to come across like an abstract. I think at the very least she could hold her own against him. Doom beats Lex and Sersi beats Despero. It could be Hel, Doom and Sersi vs Ares. Dooms real sneaky and is notorius for stealing powers from being much more powerful than himself.
That Imp is standard equipment? So is Lex Johnny Thunder now? I don't think somehow.
By the way one last thing on this point. I think it's pretty obvious that you can argue that being worthy includes having a strong will. Just by common sense you can't be a good person if you don't have strong will because you have to resist temptation and adversity. Furthermore how are you going to defend Earth and Asagard if you don't have a strong will? Especially when the hammers are coming from a realm were magic use is common place.
So obvioulsy having a strong will is essential. However the question is how strong? That doesn't neccesarily prove that you can resist somebody as powerful as Despero without feats.
Luthor can summon a lot more than Mindless ones. He has 5 of the 7 forces that Perpetua used to create the Multiverse, on top of a 5-D imp, which is standard now. Luthor is just insane.
Kyle can control all the emotional spectrum, which also has the Life Entity. He was able to repair the Source Wall with that energy. That's light years ahead of Nova corps.
Hela is more death god level, which is powerful, but Ares has the power of 2 gods
