Team Dc vs Team Marvel (herald tier, mid tier, etc)

what's true? about the upgrade? i'm not sure, does it bring relevancy to the outcome?

also, please address this

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The problem is that Marvel team has way too many sides that aren't straight punches. Nearly all are thinkers in battle. They don't beat you straight up. They out maneuver you.

@galan007 And how much of team DC immune to Cersies mind manipulation? How many on DC side are energy projectors and therefore fodder and batteries to amp Vulcan?

And yes, Hela is in fact likely immune to being turned to salt. She's a ****ing goddess that's feared by a ****ing ENTIRE COSMIC PANTHEON!!

..if Apocalypse was so easy to stop with TP,wouldnt Jean,Cable,Xavier,Nate etc been did it?🤔...Dude has Stalemated High Evolutionary and Loki but gets Lowballed here..wow..Tp wont work on Vulcan,Black Bolt,Dr Doom,Sersi..Definitely Hela and Im sure The others that are trained warriors with strong wills..

Whats H'els defense vs Transmutation and Matter Manipulation...cause he fought Kryptonians whose fighting method is punching and kicking🤔

.H'el has No defense against this..most of them dont

But you haven't addressed anything of mine.

And yes, with it, DC stomp, handily.

I'm sure you've read Convergence etc, so you must have known about his upgrades.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you haven't addressed anything of mine.

And yes, with it, DC stomp, handily.

I'm sure you've read Convergence etc, so you must have known about his upgrades.

current braniac isn't multiversal, well not from what he's showed recently.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
are you serious? she's the goddess of death, and loki's daughter

Point being?

Also, Ruddy can literally drain her without even trying.

Originally posted by SquallX
Point being?

Also, Ruddy can literally drain her without even trying.

black bolt has cosmic awareness which he would use to alert his team
lol the team also have tp resistance so let's see what happen to braniac or hel when creel get his hands on both of them or hela absorb their soul's

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
current braniac isn't multiversal, well not from what he's showed recently.

Unless its been retconned, it's still valid.

Besides, he's still far and above the most powerful telepath here. You keep tossing words like 'Sersi can manipulate minds' and 'Vulcan has resistance to TP' etc etc.

But there are differing power levels being talked about here. Brainiac and Despero are simply on another level. You think MMH and WW haven't resisted TP before? That Superman hasn't? Didn't matter to Despero. Didn't matter to Brainiac.

And now, they are on the same team.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
black bolt has cosmic awareness which he would use to alert his team
lol the team also have tp resistance so let's see what happen to braniac or hel when creel get his hands on both of them or hela absorb their soul's

Luthor can blink him into the future/to the ends of the universe. Creel is a non-factor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Luthor can blink him into the future/to the ends of the universe. Creel is a non-factor.

with what exactly? what's stopping the marvel guys from blitzing and ending luthor before doing anything.. or is luthor reaction on par with these guys now?

and Jane fought the original Phoenix on the astral plane. are they greater than the phoenix in tp now?

Vulcan actually suppressed Rachels TP before..he can Absorb Psionic energy as well.. do your proper Research...The Phoenix Force and Nate Grey are Superior Telepaths by far then Despero..Heck Moondragon has done what he's done(Enslave a planet)..Neither Xavier or Jean nor nate have ever Been able to Penetrate Apocalypse TP defense unaided...

Alberto me and Darksaint suggested we change Brainiac for Zod, from what I hear about Brainiac he gives team DC an unfair advantage.

EDIT: However if you can make a case Alberto....

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
with what exactly? what's stopping the marvel guys from blitzing and ending luthor before doing anything.. or is luthor reaction on par with these guys now?

and Jane fought the original Phoenix on the astral plane. are they greater than the phoenix in tp now?

Ohhhhh now we're in reaction times now, are we?

None of them are on H'el's level then lol . Grail can just end them as well, with HER speed.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Vulcan actually suppressed Rachels TP before..he can Absorb Psionic energy as well.. do your proper Research...The Phoenix Force and Nate Grey are Superior Telepaths by far then Despero..Heck Moondragon has done what he's done(Enslave a planet)..Neither Xavier or Jean nor nate have ever Been able to Penetrate Apocalypse TP defense unaided...

Lol at research.

I've used both Vulcan and Absorbing Man in BZs (and I not only showed up to them, I actually completed them too).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ohhhhh now we're in reaction times now, are we?

None of them are on H'el's level then lol . Grail can just end them as well, with HER speed.

Lol at research.

I've used both Vulcan and Absorbing Man in BZs (and I not only showed up to them, I actually completed them too).

sure, but that's not relevant to the point

"Vulcan actually suppressed Rachels TP before..he can Absorb Psionic energy as well.. do your proper Research...The Phoenix Force and Nate Grey are Superior Telepaths by far then Despero..Heck Moondragon has done what he's done(Enslave a planet)..Neither Xavier or Jean nor nate have ever Been able to Penetrate Apocalypse TP defense unaided..."

Originally posted by Deadline
Alberto me and Darksaint suggested we change Brainiac for Zod, from what I hear about Brainiac he gives team DC an unfair advantage.

EDIT: However if you can make a case Alberto....

His case is that in his latest showings, Brainiac is not shown to be multiversal.

In HER latest showings, Hela was defeated by Angela in hell, Jane was a cancer patient, Doom has KINGPIN tanking his blasts, Vulcan is....MIA etc etc.

Yet, somehow, we are meant to ONLY take Brainiac at his latest appearance, but not the others.

MYSTERIOUS!

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
sure, but that's not relevant to the point

"Vulcan actually suppressed Rachels TP before..he can Absorb Psionic energy as well.. do your proper Research...The Phoenix Force and Nate Grey are Superior Telepaths by far then Despero..Heck Moondragon has done what he's done(Enslave a planet)..Neither Xavier or Jean nor nate have ever Been able to Penetrate Apocalypse TP defense unaided..."

He suppressed it by TK, shutting the electrical current to the brain.

Not by being resistant to TP.

In fact, TP works just fine on him:

So maybe you should....do your research? Because you will have to show such a tactic works on Brainiac.

So You show HOW he overcomes it yet To YOU he still cant overcome it?

if you read the comic you would had known what happened next

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So You show HOW he overcomes it yet To YOU he still cant overcome it?

Because.....he's not human? And is a machine colony?

https://imgur.com/a/24QUJMP

Black Adam literally flies through his head. I don't think Rachel Grey, Moondragon, Xavier et al can regenerate from a Black Adam sized hole in their head, can they? Let alone multiple Shazam bolts?

IOW, what defeats a human with human level durability (especially their internals) wouldn't defeat...well, Brainiac.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
i thought vulcans reistant to tp?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"Vulcan actually suppressed Rachels TP before..

he can Absorb Psionic energy as well..

When did he absorb psionic energy?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
if you read the comic you would had known what happened next

You miss the point.

Inferior telepaths than Brainiac managed to get into his head and affect him, even for a second or two.

Brainiac, Despero, H'el are all far more powerful telepaths. And in some cases, faster.

And definitely more ruthless.

After Being attack by Multiple Assailants..He is then attacked by TWO Telepaths..

he just manipulates psychic energy the same way he does any other energy i mean his main enemy is x-men do you really think he does not know how to deal with telepaths lol

Within Moments He defeats them..