Christchurch NZ Terror Attacks

Yes, how dare people bring up White nationalists/supremist in a thread where it lead to another mass murder.

ps why do you always get triggered when “incel” is mentioned?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, how dare people bring up White nationalists/supremist in a thread where it lead to another mass murder.

ps why do you always get triggered when “incel” is mentioned?

It didn't trigger me, I was just noting the tenor of the thread.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Well at least they are wasting no time changing them after a mass shooting like this. Listen and learn America.

On 9/11/2001 2,996 people were murdered due to Islamic extremist/terrorism, this lead to the creation of our Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, which resulted in one of the biggest losses of personal freedoms and privacy to US citizens in US history and the whole bus cheered. Even furthered, as 9/11 (ie Islamic extremist/terrorism) was used as a springboard to justify the Iraq War which resulted in 4,400+ US deaths and upwards of 200,000 Iraqi civilian deaths.

Now I don't know the exact number of gun related murders that have transpired in the US since 2001, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot higher than 3,000, yet even mentioning something like "maybe we should reevaluate our guns laws and see if anything can possibly be improved" is anathema to some.

So it's not going to happen in the US, didn't happen after little children were mass murdered in the Sandy Hook murders and nothing happened after the 2017 Las Vegas mass murder which was close to 60 dead.

We have something like 12,000 homicides a year, most of them from guns. But we also have the 2nd amendment and a gun culture and largely armed populace. So good luck banning guns.

Robtard, I can’t speak for others here, but I don’t blame all Muslims. Casting with a wide net is dangerous. By all means call out actual white supremacists, but this putinbot shtick where he implies I’m some 4chan **** who supports this, or that anyone popular on the right is a secret fascist isn’t healthy.

Originally posted by Robtard
On 9/11/2001 2,996 people were murdered due to Islamic extremist/terrorism, this lead to the creation of our Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, which resulted in one of the biggest losses of personal freedoms and privacy to US citizens in US history and the whole bus cheered. Even furthered, as 9/11 (ie Islamic extremist/terrorism) was used as a springboard to justify the Iraq War which resulted in 4,400+ US deaths and upwards of 200,000 Iraqi civilian deaths.

Now I don't know the exact number of gun related murders that have transpired in the US since 2001, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot higher than 3,000, yet even mentioning something like "maybe we should reevaluate our guns laws and see if anything can possibly be improved" is anathema to some.

So it's not going to happen in the US, didn't happen after little children were mass murdered in the Sandy Hook murders and nothing happened after the 2017 Las Vegas mass murder which was close to 60 dead.

Yeah there’s Putinbot on the other thread talking about how the right-wingers on here are “far right.” People don’t have a problem shitting on white supremacists... as long as you’re actually honest about who the white supremacists are.

A conversation about where the line is between criticism of the left, and the type of talk that gets a social.media ban, is probably overdue.

Is it possible, for example, to be against immigration policy, and NOT be an undesirable?

And once that's sorted, there's a question of responsibility for those who take it too far. If an agreed upon reasonable argument becomes part of white nationalist talking points, does this make those using the argument persona non grata? (In the same way you can't use the swastika apart from.Nazi imagery?)

Originally posted by mike brown
We have something like 12,000 homicides a year, most of them from guns. But we also have the 2nd amendment and a gun culture and largely armed populace. So good luck banning guns.

The 4th and 1st Amendments didn't stop the Patriot Act from being implemented. But yeah, guns won't be banned (not that I'd want that), as we're not even at a point were we can have a real conversation about sensible gun regulation.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Robtard, I can’t speak for others here, but I don’t blame all Muslims. Casting with a wide net is dangerous. By all means call out actual white supremacists, but this putinbot shtick where he implies I’m some 4chan **** who supports this, or that anyone popular on the right is a secret fascist isn’t healthy.

Agreed. IMO, the 'too wide of net' so to speak is as dangerous as ignoring there's a problem at all. eg White supremacy/nationalist are a rising problem

IMO, I don't think he believes you're an actual White supremacist/nationalist, just that you dance close on some things.

Originally posted by mike brown
We have something like 12,000 homicides a year, most of them from guns. But we also have the 2nd amendment and a gun culture and largely armed populace. So good luck banning guns.

And like 8,000 of those are gang related, and we're a country of 330 million.

There are gangs in England and Europe too
There is no Western industrialized country that has our kind of murder rate.

Obviously the gangs are the big problem, but the ready access to guns inflates the murder rate because guns are a very easy and efficient way to kill your enemies.

Originally posted by Robtard
The 4th and 1st Amendments didn't stop the Patriot Act from being implemented. But yeah, guns won't be banned (not that I'd want that), as we're not even at a point were we can have a real conversation about sensible gun regulation.

Originally posted by mike brown
There are gangs in England and Europe too
There is no Western industrialized country that has our kind of murder rate.

Obviously the gangs are the big problem, but the ready access to guns inflates the murder rate because guns are a very easy and efficient way to kill your enemies.

England doesn't have our population size nor our love of guns.

So you think we should be more like England?

Nah f*ck England.

Originally posted by Surtur
England doesn't have our population size nor our love of guns.

Originally posted by mike brown
if you break it down per capita the trend remains. The murder rate is just higher here.

What do you believe is the main reason for that trend?

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, I don't think he believes you're an actual White supremacist/nationalist, just that you dance close on some things.

I made an entire thread ripping into the alt-right from every angle imaginable, from moral, to scientific, to practical, to tactical. I've repeatedly stated my point of principle is judging individuals by their own character and merits, etc.

Ironically enough it's probably my rejection of identity politics altogether that leads him to think I'm dancing on the edge of being a white identitarian.

Well that and me being right-wing, and me having nationalist leanings (though not really for the sake of some view about some kinda racial brotherhood or other such nonsense, moreso my belief that a nation's government has more of a duty to its own citizens who are engaged in a social contract with it than foreign noncitizens, as well as my skepticism of international law as something being farther out of the control of the people than national law).

When he says you dance close to white supremacy / nationalism on some things, what he means is you disagree with the far left on some issues.