Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wait... Ward from AOS?Honestly With the same physical stats hed totally destroy Cap. Hes a top tier trained assassin.
Cap is good, but as far as im aware theres nothing spectacular about his combat training. Nor was he trained for a particularly lengthy period.
Although I agree that the movies haven't emphasize so much on Steve's training, when H2H is concerned Cap comes on top.
This is common knowledge, like Hawkeye's pristine aim.
Ward is an elite killer, and yet Cap manage to stalemate and even defeat the WS who is an even more elite killer.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Although I agree that the movies haven't emphasize so much on Steve's training, when H2H is concerned Cap comes on top.This is common knowledge, like Hawkeye's pristine aim.
Ward is an elite killer, and yet Cap manage to stalemate and even defeat the WS who is an even more elite killer.
Prior to the super soldier serrum, Cap was a skinny asthmatic with almost zero combat skills.
In comparison, prior to any super soldier serum, Grant Ward is already one of the deadliest assassins around.
If they're given the same serum to make sure they end up with the same physical stats, that means that Grant Ward now has the advantage of a lot more training and experience in h2h combat.
Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to go with Ward. Although Cap still puts up a fight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Prior to the super soldier serrum, Cap was a skinny asthmatic with almost zero combat skills.In comparison, prior to any super soldier serum, Grant Ward is already one of the deadliest assassins around.
If they're given the same serum to make sure they end up with the same physical stats, that means that Grant Ward now has the advantage of a lot more training and experience in h2h combat.
Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to go with Ward. Although Cap still puts up a fight.
And? The SSS doesn't give the user knowledge over H2H.
Cap obviously received training on several martial arts afterwards. We even see him training with a punching bag in Avengers.
Ward is a good assassin, but Bucky is an even better one, sorry.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And? The SSS doesn't give the user knowledge over H2H.Cap obviously received training on several martial arts afterwards. We even see him training with a punching bag in Avengers.
Ward is a good assassin, but Bucky is an even better one, sorry.
Exactly. The SSS doesn't give one knowledge in h2h, which meant Steve still needed to train. In which case, Ward just has more training and more experience.
Bucky is a better assassin because he's also enhanced, and as far as I know he was not trained as an assassin prior to being made into the Winter Soldier.
Have you even watched AoS?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Exactly. The SSS doesn't give one knowledge in h2h, which meant Steve still needed to train. In which case, Ward just has more training and more experience.Bucky is a better assassin because he's also enhanced, and as far as I know he was not trained as an assassin prior to being made into the Winter Soldier.
Have you even watched AoS?
More training and experience!? Based on what exactly? Sure, Ward has more scenes, yet again he is the character of a series.
Remember, Cap basically made the allies win the war, he fought countless battles.
Don't bring experience into the equation.
P.S: I've watched AoS. Ward was just one more in Hydra's payroll.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
More training and experience!? Based on what exactly? Sure, Ward has more scenes, yet again he is the character of a series.Remember, Cap basically made the allies win the war, he fought countless battles.
Don't bring experience into the equation.
P.S: I've watched AoS. Ward was just one more in Hydra's payroll.
Yeah... if you really watched AoS you'd know that Ward becomes way more than just a simple Hydra thug.
As for Cap, he's able to do the things he does because of the SSS. If you dropped his physical levels down to a regular human, I don't see him doing what Ward has accomplished.
As for training and experience, yes, Ward does have more. Captain America for the most part fought regular humans who were physically inferior to him. The times he's fought opponents with the same physicality as him he has struggled.
Ward has mowed down numerous trained fighters with similar physical stats as him.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Theres literally nothing to suggest Cap would be a top tier assassin with regular human stats. And even if he would, Ward stomps on several assassins combined.I take it you havent seen all of AOS Josh.
Assassin =/= good fighter.
Cap might not be an assassin, but he is the best trained soldier in America, son.
And, Bucky is a FARRR better assassin than the Ward boy
P.S: May is a far better fighter than Ward, and yet she pails in comparisson to Natasha 😂
And arguably, Cap is just as good if not a better fighter than Black Widow
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah... if you really watched AoS you'd know that Ward becomes way more than just a simple Hydra thug.As for Cap, he's able to do the things he does because of the SSS. If you dropped his physical levels down to a regular human, I don't see him doing what Ward has accomplished.
As for training and experience, yes, Ward does have more. Captain America for the most part fought regular humans who were physically inferior to him. The times he's fought opponents with the same physicality as him he has struggled.
Ward has mowed down numerous trained fighters with similar physical stats as him.
Lol, if you have watched AoS you'd know that the Hive isn't actually Ward, well at least not an alive Ward.
We are not debating the squalid Rogers here. Their stats are equalized.
The day Ward can survive an elevator full of agents, then you might be right.
Bucky is Hydra's best assassin, sorry to inform you.