Captain America vs Grant Ward

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol, if you have watched AoS you'd know that the Hive isn't actually Ward, well at least not an alive Ward.

We are not debating the squalid Rogers here. Their stats are equalized.

The day Ward can survive an elevator full of agents, then you might be right.

Bucky is Hydra's best assassin, sorry to inform you.

Who said anything about Hive? I'm talking about Ward.

Ward has already taken out corridors full of agents... without the SSS. Stats here are equalized, so Ward gets all of his regular skill and toughness (that allows him to take out multiple agents) PLUS the SSS.

Give me an example of a time when Cap took on multiple opponents with stats similar to his?

And yes, Bucky is Hydra's best assassin. He's also enhanced. Ward is not. Don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And yes, Bucky is Hydra's best assassin. He's also enhanced. Ward is not. Don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.

You've just conceded the debate 😂

Bucky is Hydra's best assasin. And his stats are pretty in match, if not better (his bionic arm is way stronger than Cap) than Rogers.

Yet, he failed and was outmatched by Steve.

Why should a random Hydra assassin with similar stats to Rogers do better than Bucky?

It's clear, Captain comes supreme.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You've just conceded the debate 😂

Bucky is Hydra's best assasin. And his stats are pretty in match, if not better (his bionic arm is way stronger than Cap) than Rogers.

Yet, he failed and was outmatched by Steve.

Why should a random Hydra assassin with similar stats to Rogers do better than Bucky?

It's clear, Captain comes supreme.

Freakin hell Josh, do I really need to explain everything to you like you're a 5 year old?

Bucky is Hydra's best assassin BECAUSE he has the advantage of being enhanced. If Bucky was reduced to regular human stats, I don't see him matching Ward either.

Again, if you actually watched AoS you'd know that Ward wasn't just a "regular" Hydra assassin.

Also notice how you keep dodging my question. When has Cap taken on multiple opponents with the same physical stats as him?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Freakin hell Josh, do I really need to explain everything to you like you're a 5 year old?

Bucky is Hydra's best assassin BECAUSE he has the advantage of being enhanced. If Bucky was reduced to regular human stats, I don't see him matching Ward either.

Again, if you actually watched AoS you'd know that Ward wasn't just a "regular" Hydra assassin.

Also notice how you keep dodging my question. When has Cap taken on multiple opponents with the same physical stats as him?

Then learn how to use your punctuation marks, child, because there is a period between best assassin and he's also enhanced.

Lol!!! Ward might be top shit in the series, but in the MCU landscape he is a regular name in the payroll of Hydra's organization! 😂

Have you heard about the WS programme?

It was a programme that enlisted Hydra's top assassins to be enhanced.

Bucky Barnes in CW when talking about his pals:

Their most elite death squad. More kills than anyone in Hydra's history, and that was before the syrum.

Grant's name isn't in that list fellow.

Ohh, and Bucky was actually the best WS.

As HYDRA's most talented assassin, Barnes did much to create chaos in the world for decades

Irrelevant. Cap>Bucky>other WS>Ward.

You overestimate Grant fellow.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
but he is the best trained soldier in America, son.

Firstly : Proof?

Second: Even if he is, that honestly still wouldnt be enough against Ward.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Firstly : Proof?

Second: Even if he is, that honestly still wouldnt be enough against Ward.

The SS programme took America's best trained soldiers. The only disadvantage Steve had was his malnutrition and weakling condition, but the training he did have.

Besides, he received ample training after the syrum.

Bucky>Ward.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Then learn how to use your punctuation marks, child, because there is a period between best assassin and he's also enhanced.

Lol!!! Ward might be top shit in the series, but in the MCU landscape he is a regular name in the payroll of Hydra's organization! 😂

Have you heard about the WS programme?

It was a programme that enlisted Hydra's top assassins to be enhanced.

Bucky Barnes in CW when talking about his pals:

Grant's name isn't in that list fellow.

Ohh, and Bucky was actually the best WS.

Irrelevant. Cap>Bucky>other WS>Ward.

You overestimate Grant fellow.

LoL. Grant's name isn't in that list because that scene was done in 1991. Grant would have been what, less than 10 years old at that time? Yeah... you didn't think this through did you?

Anyway, I see you still keep dodging my question. When has Captain America ever taken out multiple opponents with similar physical stats to him?

Originally posted by FrothByte
LoL. Grant's name isn't in that list because that scene was done in 1991. Grant would have been what, less than 10 years old at that time? Yeah... you didn't think this through did you?

Anyway, I see you still keep dodging my question. When has Captain America ever taken out multiple opponents with similar physical stats to him?

😂 Prove that Grant can enter that list!

Bucky

Their most elite death squad. More kills than anyone in Hydra's history, and that was before the syrum.

The quote takes place in CW (present time). The word "history" includes Ward, yet he means NOTHING to the Winter Soldier.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The SS programme took America's best trained soldiers. The only disadvantage Steve had was his malnutrition and weakling condition, but the training he did have.

Besides, he received ample training after the syrum.

Bucky>Ward.

1)Cap wasnt one of those best trained soldiers (none of whom would stand a chance against Wars btw), but was there by special request.

2) Its for you to Prove Caps further training was on the level of Wards. Can you even tell me who trained him and when and for how long?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1)Cap wasnt one of those best trained soldiers (none of whom would stand a chance against Wars btw), but was there by special request.

2) Its for you to Prove Caps further training was on the level of Wards. Can you even tell me who trained him and when and for how long?

1.) Fallacy. No proof that Ward is better than a USA's elites.
2.) Bucky> Hydra's elites> Ward.

Ward has the on screen time and feats to match any normal human. He should get the edge over Cap. Depends on how amped he gets, and how that all works. Does it make everyone max out at about the same.? Or amplify what you start with the same number of times? Because Steve Rogers was amped up more than Bucky was.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
😂 Prove that Grant can enter that list!

Bucky

The quote takes place in CW (present time). The word "history" includes Ward, yet he means NOTHING to the Winter Soldier.

You want me to prove that an 8 year old can make it to Hydra's best assassins list? Lol.

Anyway, are you ever gonna stop dodging my question?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You want me to prove that an 8 year old can make it to Hydra's best assassins list? Lol.

Anyway, are you ever gonna stop dodging my question?

If Grant is Hydra's best assassin, then why is it he isn't even known by Bucky Barnes?

Lol, you are just inventing stuff now.

Bucky>Grant.

It's the reason Ward doesn't even appear in WS. He ain't a notable Hydra member, sorry to unveil the truth to you.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1.) Fallacy. No proof that Ward is better than a USA's elites.
2.) Bucky> Hydra's elites> Ward.

1) Urm yes there is. He has multiple feats of beating several elites without any enhancements.

2) Thats with enhancements for Bucky. Physical stats are equalised here so moot point.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Urm yes there is. He has multiple feats of beating several elites without any enhancements.

2) Thats with enhancements for Bucky. Physical stats are equalised here so moot point.

And? Doesn't make him the best. Just makes him good.

2. Again, Bucky's name is just one more in Hydra's payroll. You have brought no evidence as to claim he is even amongst the best Hydra agents.

Damn, I doubt he even wins against Brock! 😂

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If Grant is Hydra's best assassin, then why is it he isn't even known by Bucky Barnes?

Lol, you are just inventing stuff now.

Bucky>Grant.

It's the reason Ward doesn't even appear in WS. He ain't a notable Hydra member, sorry to unveil the truth to you.

Grant Ward wasn't a candidate for the WS program because he was 8 years old when they put that program in ice. Please try to keep up.

I'm still waiting for you to show Steve Rogers fighting multiple opponents of equal physicality to him. Heck, at this point I'd be impressed if you could just bring up proof of Cap's "better" training.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Grant Ward wasn't a candidate for the WS program because he was 8 years old when they put that program in ice. Please try to keep up.

I'm still waiting for you to show Steve Rogers fighting multiple opponents of equal physicality to him. Heck, at this point I'd be impressed if you could just bring up proof of Cap's "better" training.

o.o

Why wasn't he in Captain America: The Winter Soldier then and in CW?

All of Hydra's best were shown in those movies.

Again, you are just inventing stuff now.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
o.o

Why wasn't he in Captain America: The Winter Soldier then and in CW?

All of Hydra's best were shown in those movies.

Again, you are just inventing stuff now.

Who says all of Hydra's best were in those movies? Are you making stuff up now?

As for why he wasn't there, because he was busy in Agents of SHIELD. Fighting Skye, fighting May, being on a different planet, etc.

Now, are you ever going to stop dodging and actually address my points?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Who says all of Hydra's best were in those movies? Are you making stuff up now?

As for why he wasn't there, because he was busy in Agents of SHIELD. Fighting Skye, fighting May, being on a different planet, etc.

Now, are you ever going to stop dodging and actually address my points?

😂

Did you watch the Winter Soldier Froth? Or have you just conviniently had an episode of Alzheimer?

The entire movie revolved arround Hydra trying to take over the world. Alexander Pierce would take no risks!

Again, where was Ward while that happened? Oh! He was betraying his Shield friends, who also aren't even important to the MCU landscape (Except for Coulson).

Again, Ward is good, just not that good.

I bet that if he were to appear in the movie, he would be one more of the agents in the elevator working for Brock.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
😂

Did you watch the Winter Soldier Froth? Or have you just conviniently had an episode of Alzheimer?

The entire movie revolved arround Hydra trying to take over the world. Alexander Pierce would take no risks!

Again, where was Ward while that happened? Oh! He was betraying his Shield friends, who also aren't even important to the MCU landscape (Except for Coulson).

Again, Ward is good, just not that good.

I bet that if he were to appear in the movie, he would be one more of the agents in the elevator working for Brock.

Sigh. It's nearly impossible to have a civil debate with you anymore.

Let me know when you've found proof that Cap can take on multiple opponents of similar stats to him.