Shazam vs. Captain Marvel

Started by ShadowFyre10 pages

Im gonna throw some numbers out there just to get things started.

We know bullets hit with billions of tons of force from previous threads, and we know Marvel intends for the viewer to assume everything is made out of pure fluff and styrofoam.

So my calculations have the pellet feat at about 20 million tons on the low end.

Captain Marvels speed is really just a metaphor when you think about it. Non quantifiable.

Lol I completely forgot about the Billions of Tons force for aircraft fire.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Point is He clearly has speed, but it wont help much against someone who flies around taking out armies of starships.

If he uses that speed why won't it help?

Originally posted by h1a8
If he uses that speed why won't it help?

Because shes too fast herself, and he would have to deal with her energy beams as well. Thats simply not happening. Shes basically like the Silver Surfer.

Captain Marvel destroys

Shes fast flying around yes. He's much faster and basically is Flash/Superman level as in he zips around invisible he's moving so fast. Has Marvel dealt with that? Has she shown enhanced perception that let's her deal with speed on that level? Because at the moment the fastest person in Marvel in terms of pure speed is Quicksilver and he couldn't deal with minigun rounds.

Just want to point out that they're both pretty much newbs at this point. Shazam has only fought one opponent but it was a superpowered opponent that really tested his mettle.

Danvers fought more opponents but she's never fought an opponent that could truly challenge her power.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because shes too fast herself, and he would have to deal with her energy beams as well. Thats simply not happening. Shes basically like the Silver Surfer.

But she's not fast at all. She only has human level reactions. He can literally tag her before one neuron fires in her brain. I would say his speed can help him.

Originally posted by h1a8
But she's not fast at all. She only has human level reactions. He can literally tag her before one neuron fires in her brain. I would say his speed can help him.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it.

Prove what?

Originally posted by h1a8
But she's not fast at all. She only has human level reactions. He can literally tag her before one neuron fires in her brain. I would say his speed can help him.

Strange assertion. Show me Shazam blitzing any who can flying at hyper speeds. Or even at super sonic speeds... Or against someone with AOE attacks...

Also what do you expect “tagging her” will even do?

^^ How do you see CM doing against Sivana?

^ Blast him away.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Strange assertion. Show me Shazam blitzing any who can flying at hyper speeds. Or even at super sonic speeds... Or against someone with AOE attacks...

Also what do you expect “tagging her” will even do?

The argument is an "if then" argument. Did you forget? I'm not arguing what Shazam will choose to do but "IF" he chooses do something.

He does have the ability to blitz her before she completes a thought simply because she only has human level reactions.

Originally posted by h1a8

He does have the ability to blitz her before she completes a thought simply because she only has human level reactions.

You need proof to show he has the ability to blitz someone on her caliber.

And you still havent explained what “tagging” her will even do.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You need proof to show he has the ability to blitz someone on her caliber.

And you still havent explained what “tagging” her will even do.

Premise1: Carol has human level reactions
Premise2: Shazam can tag a human, within battle distance, faster than they can react.
Conclusion: Shazam can tag Carol before she can react, within battle distance.

This is a deductive argument. It is only invalid if one of the premises is false.

Originally posted by h1a8
Premise1: Carol has human level reactions
Premise2: Shazam can tag a human, within battle distance, faster than they can react.
Conclusion: Shazam can tag Carol before she can react, within battle distance.

This is a deductive argument. It is only invalid if one of the premises is false.

Prove both premises are true.

Originally posted by h1a8
Premise1: Carol has human level reactions
Premise2: Shazam can tag a human, within battle distance, faster than they can react.
Conclusion: Shazam can tag Carol before she can react, within battle distance.

This is a deductive argument. It is only invalid if one of the premises is false.

Fact 1: Carol flies and fights at super sonic speeds, even light speeds. She has AOE attacks.

Fact 2: Shazam has never blitzed a combatant who flies and fights at super sonic speeds. Or a combatant with AOE attacks.

Fact 3: Fact > Premise

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove both premises are true.

Premise 1 is true because we never see Carol react to something in less than 0.2 of a second after it happened.

Premise 2 is true because we see Shazam actually getting from point A to B faster than a human can react to.

Originally posted by h1a8
Premise 1 is true because we never see Carol react to something in less than 0.2 of a second after it happened.

Premise 2 is true because we see Shazam actually getting from point A to B faster than a human can react to.

Nobody is going to take your word for it, provide proof.