Originally posted by Silent MasterThe only speed feats Carol had were in flight.
Nobody is disagreeing that he's fast, the disagreement is that he's fast enough to tag Carol before she even moves, given her own speed feats.So far h1 has provided no proof that Billy is orders of magnitude faster than Carol, like he's claiming.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Based on what does she have normal human level reactions?And based on what can Shazam blitz someone with wide spread Uber powerful energy blasts who can fly and combat at super sonic speeds?
Based on her having 0 feats of superhuman reactions.
Negatives don't have to be proven.
Shazam can tag anyone with human level reactions before they can act.
Originally posted by h1a8
Based on her having 0 feats of superhuman reactions.
Negatives don't have to be proven.Shazam can tag anyone with human level reactions before they can act.
Well technically Shazam also has zero feats of blitzing people before they can react IIRC.
But the main point which you keep avoiding is Cap Marvel is no normal human and can can fight at supersonic speeds in the air taking down spaceships. Thats not normal human speed Lol
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well technically Shazam also has zero feats of blitzing people before they can react IIRC.But the main point which you keep avoiding is Cap Marvel is no normal human and can can fight at supersonic speeds in the air taking down spaceships. Thats not normal human speed Lol
You keep referring to travel speed. That has nothing to do with reaction speed. You are basically missing the point.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given she was fighting at those speeds, I think you are both missing the point and failing to get your point across.
She can't respond faster than a normal human can. That means he can tag her before she acts. That also mean she can't navigate beyond a certain speed within certain distances from objects.
Originally posted by h1a8
She can't respond faster than a normal human can. That means he can tag her before she acts. That also mean she can't navigate beyond a certain speed within certain distances from objects.
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Originally posted by cdtm
So how fast is the lightning?If it's as fast as lightning, can she dodge it (As Flash, Black Adam, Superman, and Cap himself has in the comics?)
no reason why she couldn't dodge it.. In fact Shazam never used his lightning when he fought Silvana IIRC.
Originally posted by h1a8
She can't respond faster than a normal human can. That means he can tag her before she acts. That also mean she can't navigate beyond a certain speed within certain distances from objects.
All evidence points to the contrary. See the final battle in Cap Marvel.
Its a good time to catch a rewatch with Avengers Endgame out in a couple of days.
The issue I see here is that Captain Brie Larson is in BINARY form here. In binary form, she could fly through multiple starships like runners run through a tape finish line. She could stop and push throw back a missile back at other multiple missiles. Flew through/around a black hole.
I mean, those stats are high, high, very high, and I don't see how Billy takes her down. Could he still speed blitz her? Yes, but her durability and power output are too much for it to matter.
Out of binary, yes, he speed blitzes and punches her to death.
Originally posted by Darth ThorCarol never was shown to react to something in less time than a normal human could.
All evidence points to the contrary. See the final battle in Cap Marvel.Its a good time to catch a rewatch with Avengers Endgame out in a couple of days.
So you are claiming that she has significantly faster than human reactions. Prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Carol never was shown to react to something in less time than a normal human could.So you are claiming that she has significantly faster than human reactions. Prove it.
Tell me is it easier to shoot a stationary human stood right in front of you, or a bird flying in the air?
Cap Marvel moves and combats at vast speeds. Shes literally battled an army of spaceships. So I dont see why I have to prove anything, when you havent even given a convincing argument what a speed blitz from Shazam would even do to Cap Marvel.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Tell me is it easier to shoot a stationary human stood right in front of you, or a bird flying in the air?Cap Marvel moves and combats at vast speeds. Shes literally battled an army of spaceships. So I dont see why I have to prove anything, when you havent even given a convincing argument what a speed blitz from Shazam would even do to Cap Marvel.
Battle distance is small.
Shazam can instantly pop her the moment the bell rings.
Let's say Shazam allows her to move after the bell. What would she do? Fly side to side?
Originally posted by h1a8
Battle distance is small.
Says who?
Was the battle distance small in Cap Marvel vs the Kree fight? Or Shazam vs Sivans?
Neither of these combatants lends well to a small fighting distance.
Originally posted by h1a8
Shazam can instantly pop her the moment the bell rings.
This is you just dreaming now. Cap Marvel has taken blasts from Kree battleships. What feat does Shazam have that compares? Catching a bus? Lol
Originally posted by h1a8
Let's say Shazam allows her to move after the bell. What would she do? Fly side to side?
Again, how did she fight the Kree? She can evade hits, and take hits. And you are yet to show how Shazam can avoid her AOE attacks.
This whole blitz and popping her is a strange fantasy in your head.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Says who?Was the battle distance small in Cap Marvel vs the Kree fight? Or Shazam vs Sivans?
Neither of these combatants lends well to a small fighting distance.
This is you just dreaming now. Cap Marvel has taken blasts from Kree battleships. What feat does Shazam have that compares? Catching a bus? Lol
Again, how did she fight the Kree? She can evade hits, and take hits. And you are yet to show how Shazam can avoid her AOE attacks.
This whole blitz and popping her is a strange fantasy in your head.
I'm referring to the the size of the battlefield in forum rules and how far apart the combatants start from each other. Leaving the battlefield is not allowed.
Without feats, you can only speculate how powerful Kree blasts are. Plus energy blasts and blunt force are two different things.
Shazam was able to zip to a location and stop on a dime. This means his perception speed is vastly greater than a human. She would appear in slow-mo after he allows her to move.
Carol travels far slower in an atmosphere than in space (no drag forces).
Plus it takes her time to accelerate to a certain speed.
Again at the start of the bell she can get popped before she can act.
Originally posted by h1a8
1)I'm referring to the the size of the battlefield in forum rules and how far apart the combatants start from each other. Leaving the battlefield is not allowed.2)Without feats, you can only speculate how powerful Kree blasts are. Plus energy blasts and blunt force are two different things.
3)Shazam was able to zip to a location and stop on a dime. This means his perception speed is vastly greater than a human. She would appear in slow-mo after he allows her to move.
4)Carol travels far slower in an atmosphere than in space (no drag forces).
Plus it takes her time to accelerate to a certain speed.5)Again at the start of the bell she can get popped before she can act.
1) Nope. Forum rules you can leave the battlefield as long as you can get back within a reasonable time. They dont have to fight within a confined space. Neither of these characters would.
2) Those ships cane to wipe out the Earth lol. Plus there were rockets/missiles IIRC, so blunt Force was included.
3) So what? Carols blasts are faster than him. And she flies just as fast as him (if not faster).
4) Conjecture.
5) What with the strength to catch a bus? Lol. Stop fantasising and actually bring an argument to your side of the debate. Hint: You cant because Shazam has neither the strength feats or speed feats to show he could blitz Cap Marvel. Heck he hasnt even shown he can avoid her blasts.