Shazam vs. Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Nope. Forum rules you can leave the battlefield as long as you can get back within a reasonable time. They dont have to fight within a confined space. Neither of these characters would.

2) Those ships cane to wipe out the Earth lol. Plus there were rockets/missiles IIRC, so blunt Force was included.

3) So what? Carols blasts are faster than him. And she flies just as fast as him (if not faster).

4) Conjecture.

5) What with the strength to catch a bus? Lol. Stop fantasising and actually bring an argument to your side of the debate. Hint: You cant because Shazam has neither the strength feats or speed feats to show he could blitz Cap Marvel. Heck he hasnt even shown he can avoid her blasts.

Purposely leaving the battlefield is not allowed. If a character gets knocked out of the battlefield then they have a certain amount of time to get back.

I saw her get hit with energy blasts. Even if she got hit with material objects then you have to prove the magnitude of the blunt force aspect of the feat.

You can't use space feats for in atmosphere feats.
Flying speed is not combat speed. A character will only travel as fast as they can respond to objects around them (to not run into them). And it takes time to accelerate to a certain speed in an atmosphere.

Shazam moving at a fraction of the speed can avoid her blasts. Remember she only has human level reactions and perception. That's if Shazam allows her to operate.

Originally posted by h1a8
1)Purposely leaving the battlefield is not allowed. If a character gets knocked out of the battlefield then they have a certain amount of time to get back.

2)I saw her get hit with energy blasts. Even if she got hit with material objects then you have to prove the magnitude of the blunt force aspect of the feat.

3)You can't use space feats for in atmosphere feats.
Flying speed is not combat speed. A character will only travel as fast as they can respond to objects around them (to not run into them). And it takes time to accelerate to a certain speed in an atmosphere.

4)Shazam moving at a fraction of the speed can avoid her blasts. Remember she only has human level reactions and perception. That's if Shazam allows her to operate.

1)Themyscyra is a big Island to fly around. Stop trying to manipulate the rules to suit you.

2) Alien spaceships with power to destroy the Earth > catching a bus.

3) Of course we can! When youre that powerful (jump further, faster) the difference between flying through the atmosphere and in space is going to be minute, if at all. She did leap into space herself after all.
She did fly in combat, so its relevant. Stop pretending she just flew into space and never fought anyone at while doing so.

4) Proof? Show feats of Shazam avoiding such blasts.

The actual Movie Versus forum rules are ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY. Not the fantasy you have in your head of how things would go down.

Carol stomps lmfao

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1)Themyscyra is a big Island to fly around. Stop trying to manipulate the rules to suit you.

2) Alien spaceships with power to destroy the Earth > catching a bus.

3) Of course we can! When youre that powerful (jump further, faster) the difference between flying through the atmosphere and in space is going to be minute, if at all. She did leap into space herself after all.
She did fly in combat, so its relevant. Stop pretending she just flew into space and never fought anyone at while doing so.

4) Proof? Show feats of Shazam avoiding such blasts.

The actual Movie Versus forum rules are ON SCREEN FEATS ONLY. Not the fantasy you have in your head of how things would go down.

1. I didn't know the OP set a specific place. But characters do start rather close to each other. Carol is not going to fly away at the start of the bell.

2. Prove that those blasts she took can destroy an entire planet.

3. No you can't. Drag forces slow down motion TREMENDOUSLY when traveling at high speeds. Use only her feats of traveling in an atmosphere for atmosphere fights.

You ignored "A character will only travel as fast as they can respond to objects around them (to not run into them). And it takes time to accelerate to a certain speed in an atmosphere." As shown ON SCREEN.

4. Prove that Carol can hit a human sized object traveling faster than a human can respond.

I was one of those who vehemently argued that MOS/BvS Superman only had movement superspeed, not combat superspeed. It wasn't until JL that I changed my opinion on this because he had legit feats of showcasing combat superspeed.

So with that said, I feel it would be unfair (and hypocritical) of me to not apply the same standard to Captain Marvel. She does have legit flight superspeed, I think that's unquestionable. But she has zero feats of applying the same speed to running, hand to hand combat, or any other action that's more complex than moving in a straight line.

Does she have fast reflexes? Of course she does. Majority of these superheroes do. But I don't think it would be fair to say she has lightspeed reflexes simply because she can fly at light speed.

I still think she wins the match, I just don't think she has the speed advantage over Shazam.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. I didn't know the OP set a specific place. But characters do start rather close to each other. Carol is not going to fly away at the start of the bell.

2. Prove that those blasts she took can destroy an entire planet.

3. No you can't. Drag forces slow down motion TREMENDOUSLY when traveling at high speeds. Use only her feats of traveling in an atmosphere for atmosphere fights.

You ignored "A character will only travel as fast as they can respond to objects around them (to not run into them). And it takes time to accelerate to a certain speed in an atmosphere." As shown ON SCREEN.

4. Prove that Carol can hit a human sized object traveling faster than a human can respond.

1. No she will fire blasts at him at the ring of the bell.

2. Im not claiming each blast was a planet buster lol. Just that the armada was capable of wiping us out. And obviously superior to Earths military forces.

3. She was plenty fast leaping into space.

4. Is Shazam faster than Carols energy blasts? Given how widespread her blasts are and given Shazam (as per you) will just bulrush towards her, it would be hard for her to miss.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I was one of those who vehemently argued that MOS/BvS Superman only had movement superspeed, not combat superspeed. It wasn't until JL that I changed my opinion on this because he had legit feats of showcasing combat superspeed.

So with that said, I feel it would be unfair (and hypocritical) of me to not apply the same standard to Captain Marvel. She does have legit flight superspeed, I think that's unquestionable. But she has zero feats of applying the same speed to running, hand to hand combat, or any other action that's more complex than moving in a straight line.

Does she have fast reflexes? Of course she does. Majority of these superheroes do. But I don't think it would be fair to say she has lightspeed reflexes simply because she can fly at light speed.

I still think she wins the match, I just don't think she has the speed advantage over Shazam.

Well no ones claiming she has the speed advantage over him, or even that shes faster. Just that between her flight speed and energy blasts, dealing with Shazam wont be much of a problem. And even if he hits her, she can absolutely take it.

As for flight speed vs combat speed, I would say her flight feats land somewhere in between those 2 mediums.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I was one of those who vehemently argued that MOS/BvS Superman only had movement superspeed, not combat superspeed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You are a bit of a retard yeah.

I simply call out feats as I see it. I had no problems attributing combat superspeed to Superman once he had the feats to back it up.

Billy doesn't use his combat speed like Clark, he was moving slow af when he was fighting Sivana in the park

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. No she will fire blasts at him at the ring of the bell.

2. Im not claiming each blast was a planet buster lol. Just that the armada was capable of wiping us out. And obviously superior to Earths military forces.

3. She was plenty fast leaping into space.

4. Is Shazam faster than Carols energy blasts? Given how widespread her blasts are and given Shazam (as per you) will just bulrush towards her, it would be hard for her to miss.

1. He would have zipped her before she moves the first 1in.
2. She got hit from some random energy blasts from small fodder ships. You have to prove that those ships can wipe ANYTHING out (even a truck). And energy blasts and blunt force are two different things, especially considering it looked like she absorbed the blasts.

3. She didn't leap into space. She flew from the atmosphere to space. It took her quite a bit of time to do that. I don't know what you are talking about.

4. You are not faster than a bullet, yet I would have difficulty shooting you if you were running laterally from my perspective. She has human level perceptions. And yes, her blasts appeared no faster than him, not that it matters.

Basically, If Shazam decides to always use his speed then Carol will have a problem the moment the bell rings. She wouldn't be able to track or follow him (if he just wanted to play around). Her blasts would be useless.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. He would have zipped her before she moves the first 1in.
2. She got hit from some random energy blasts from small fodder ships. You have to prove that those ships can wipe ANYTHING out (even a truck). And energy blasts and blunt force are two different things, especially considering it looked like she absorbed the blasts.

3. She didn't leap into space. She flew from the atmosphere to space. It took her quite a bit of time to do that. I don't know what you are talking about.

4. You are not faster than a bullet, yet I would have difficulty shooting you if you were running laterally from my perspective. She has human level perceptions. And yes, her blasts appeared no faster than him, not that it matters.

Basically, If Shazam decides to always use his speed then Carol will have a problem the moment the bell rings. She wouldn't be able to track or follow him (if he just wanted to play around). Her blasts would be useless.

Since you claim to have seen the movie, why don't you tell everyone how often Shazam uses his full speed during fights.

Originally posted by carthage
Billy doesn't use his combat speed like Clark, he was moving slow af when he was fighting Sivana in the park

He doesn't. That's why I think neither of them has the speed advantage.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you claim to have seen the movie, why don't you tell everyone how often Shazam uses his full speed during fights.

This was my very first post.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Shazam uses speed mostly then he wins. If they fight at nearly the same speed then she wins.

sorry h1 but Shazam really truly doesn't stand a chance..

Originally posted by h1a8
This was my very first post.

That didn't answer my question, my question is how often was Shazam actually shown using speed during fights.

You didnt see the movie?

If you actually saw the movie, you would be able to answer the question.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didnt see the movie?

everyone in here EXCEPT YOU has seen both Shazam and Captain Marvel.

No spoilers, but after seeing Endgame, Carol bends him over and fu¢ks him with her engorged clit.