Originally posted by Robtard
Bingo.To rehash: There are plenty of people both men and women who would like to have sex but don't for one reason or another, this does not make them incels by default. Incel is a specific mindset one takes in for themselves.
It's a simple concept, just as being white does not make me a white supremacist. But good luck explaining it to these dingbats
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The issue requires no subtlety, because attraction is not a negotiation, and incels are lazy:
I agree, attraction is not a negotiation, and I to use to consider incels to just be a by-product of lazy behaviour.
But this is clearly not true and a gross oversimplification of a growing problem.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The premise that their celibacy is involuntary is false. In life, when you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences. By not choosing to make themselves more appealing to the people whom they wish to attract, incels are choosing to not get laid.
This is an archaic way of thinking. I do not blame you for this. It is a tendency we in the West have, to blame people for their failings. Which I guess is understandable. This, however, is exactly the same reasoning that leads to the jailing of addicts, or the "pull yourself by the bootstraps" mentality.
I had this same perspective up until very recently. As I began to examine the data from Switzerland vs. U.S. on progress in addiction and mental health, I've come to realize that most people are unable to get themselves out of a hole, without significant support.
Celibacy is involuntary to an extent because it is a symptom of other issues, such as lack of ambition, poor hygiene, bad mental health, past abuse leading to poor social skills.
It can also lead an otherwise successful person by all accounts, to retreat from society.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
When they started murdering people.
Are you a sith? Why are you dealing with absolutes? Incels as a term cover a HUGE amount of people. If a vocal minority of those are hateful, it does not mean that all incels are hateful. Or even most of them.
It's not a political party you become a member of.
My main POINT, is that yes, a part of being an incel is an incapability of taking responsibility of your own failings BUT it is more than that. It can be a symptom of other issues. You need to ask yourself, and we as a society, what our goal is here?
Is it to point fingers and shame people? What purpose does that serve? My goal is to integrate as many people as possible into being productive, and economically viable members of society. All scientific data and research points that to do so, when a certain subset of a population has a problem, it is a reflection of a broader symptom, and the best way to help people overcome their issues is through support.
This can mean better education in physical activity, classes on social interaction and how to start a conversation with strangers, proper etiquette on social settings, access to mental health services etc.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
It's a simple concept, just as being white does not make me a white supremacist. But good luck explaining it to these dingbats
Originally posted by Robtard
Bingo.To rehash: There are plenty of people both men and women who would like to have sex but don't for one reason or another, this does not make them incels by default. Incel is a specific mindset one takes in for themselves.
Incel = involuntary celibate as far as I'm concerned. And the term is being thrown around SO MUCH that, trying to use it as a narrow label for a certain subset of involuntary celibates is an exercise in futility.
People who hurt others, regardless of the underlying reasons, are assholes. We can agree with that and just move on with the semantics.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou're ignoring reality with that broad stroke, friend. Not everyone who is unfortunate in sex holds these hateful misogynistic, often bigoted to outright racist views sometimes and feelings that they're someone "owed" sex just because they want it. In the big picture,
Incel = involuntary celibate as far as I'm concerned. And the term is being thrown around SO MUCH that, trying to use it as a narrow label for a certain subset of involuntary celibates is an exercise in futility.People who hurt others, regardless of the underlying reasons, are assholes. We can agree with that and just move on with the semantics.
eg I was a late bloomer, I didn't get laid until shortly after my 18th birthday, but I was not an "Incel" as they describe themselves and the beliefs they hold. I did not feel I was owed sex just because I wanted it, I did not hate and feel resentment towards women because of my virginity.
An "Incel" in today's reality is someone who in indeed an involuntary celibate + subscribes to a certain belief system
Originally posted by RobtardBingo!
You're ignoring reality with that broad stroke, friend. Not everyone who is unfortunate in sex holds these hateful misogynistic, often bigoted to outright racist views sometimes and feelings that they're someone "owed" sex just because they want it. In the big picture,eg I was a late bloomer, I didn't get laid until shortly after my 18th birthday, but I was not an "Incel" as they describe themselves and the beliefs they hold. I did not feel I was owed sex just because I wanted it, I did not hate and feel resentment towards women because of my virginity.
An "Incel" in today's reality is someone who in indeed an involuntary celibate + subscribes to a certain belief system
Incel = Involuntary celibate.
Anyway, I def think Robard, PB and Teg's approach to just berating incels on threads everyday and vying for their restricted speech is just more likely to send one of these desperate souls over the edge. Whether as the advice found here could potentially save a mass shooting here and there if utilised correctly.
Again,
Japan literally has a negative birth rate crisis, 1 in 7 homes are vacant, 1/3 of the population will be elderly by 2040, 40% of the population between 18-34 are virgins.
Why don't they have the same "incel" crisis? Because they are a collectivist society. The individual's needs are not prioritized. It is far more important to prioritize being a productive member of society than getting laid, focusing on shallow materialistic pursuits, etc.
Of course the incel criers here are never going to accept this because they have benefited from the individualistic society in the West.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Sadly more common than people think. Being a young woman is much darker than being a young guy.
If they passed a law that made it legal for women to punch the d*cks of the public baters, I think there'd be less of this? Except for the ones who want exactly that?
"Perhaps I shouldn't do this or else I may have a high risk of getting a rupture and require surgery from the punches..."
Originally posted by dadudemon
If they passed a law that made it legal for women to punch the d*cks of the public baters, I think there'd be less of this? Except for the ones who want exactly that?"Perhaps I shouldn't do this or else I may have a high risk of getting a rupture and require surgery from the punches..."
It's more than that though, teen boys often don't know where the line is.