He used an anvil and his weapon to POSSIBLY achieve a result. We never saw the outcome of said event. I dont understand why things like this are not being looked at. We primarily look at fts THAT HAPPENED vs lip service. I'm sure if I use Gladiator son mentioning that he witness his dad ripping a black hole in apart, people would dismiss it. Or how about Hulk power rivaling the Phoenix force. If I'm wrong about this and he waved his hand to create and destroy a multiverse, apology on my end but DANG, I would love to see it.
Originally posted by carver9
He used an anvil and his weapon to POSSIBLY achieve a result. We never saw the outcome of said event.
Originally posted by Galan007
It really is cut and dry.Earlier in the arc World Forger stated that once his Hammer was lit, all he had to do was strike the Crisis Anvil, and *poof*, his multiverse would instantly replace the existing one:
https://i.imgur.com/jN0ET4j.jpgCut to this issue, and World Forger's Hammer is lit:
https://i.imgur.com/lU3wRvS.jpgHis Crisis Anvil is fully formed:
https://i.imgur.com/N7Lg0Jr.jpgHe was literally in the process of striking the Anvil and replacing multiverses:
https://i.imgur.com/i3XUGbm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uCKx4pJ.jpgBut before his swing connects, Superman punches him and destroys the Anvil:
*In the last scan you can actually see reality being shattered.Cut to World Forger stating that his multiverse collapsed:
https://i.imgur.com/wKyuQix.jpgSimple logic is simple.
tl;dr
Hammer was lit, Crisis Anvil was fully formed, and a new multiverse was ready to replace the old one. But your contention is that... Nothing would've happened when he struck the Anvil?
C'mon, carv... That was the whole point of the story. ermm
Originally posted by Galan007
He was about to instantly subvert/replace the mainstream multiverse with his own multiverse.Something like that requires fully multiversal power.
ok, i disagree with your conclusion.
firstly, wf was indeed going to replace the prime reality with the future "justice formation". but this isn't something he was able to casually do. he needed a crisis anvil to form and he needed his hammer to light. neither of those things appear to be things he can just will into being unless a TRUE crisis is imminent--in this case in the form of mxy. as for replacing the prime--as i said, true. but he wasn't going to do it until AFTER mxy wiped everything out:
the new (he uses the term...) universe, won't descend until AFTER the old prime was unwritten by mxy. then the new one descends in place of the vanished one. it's not like he can casually replace mutliverses whenever he feels like it. not imo. it seems he needed the old one to be destroyed first, so he could place the new one in the void it left. he DOES reference the mutliverse, but in that regard, i think he means that the prime universe will have lost a great deal of time--his new prime is a FUTURE prime. he hopes that when judged, they don't notice how much more time has past in the NEW prime, relative to the rest of the multiverse.... that's my take at least.
the fact that he's just replacing the prime UNIVERSE is supported here:
as for wf's function: we know he is to populate the multiverse. how does he do that? by creating "worlds". i take that to mean universes. which makes sense since once he's created.....LOTS of universes (some of which succeed, others that don't) he will have created a....MULTIVERSE. almost PRECISELY the way franklin did so. he created a multiverse one universe at a time.
soon each of the 3 realms would be populated with UNIVERSES. again, fitting wf's role as multiversal..."populat-er" one universe at a time....
an interesting side note--wf isn't, apparently, responsible for the creation of EARTH PRIME:
he didn't even know how it could have come to be. odd. here again he insists he creates "worlds":
now i know there is a lot of merging terminology in comics, but i don't think i've ever once seen worlds taken to mean...multiverses. a lot of mixed terminology was used throughout the arc, tbh. universe and multiverse seemed to be almost interchangeable at times, which makes understanding the scope a bit....subjective, admittedly. even assuming the anvil held a new multiverse, there is still no reason to suspect wf did anything but build it one universe at a time. maybe he took only the BEST universes that he brought into being and stuck them all together? i dunno. no one does, because it's never really explained.
anyway, all of that just to say that i don't think wf is any more a multiversal power than franklin is. now it's true frank couldn't anchor the universe in place, but he could still shape them, but as we saw with heroes reborn, he IS capable of creating a universe on his own. in terms of overall power, i think frank and wf are very very close.
tl;dr /shrug
