Originally posted by Galan007
You don't think it requires fully multiversal power to instantaneously replace one multiverse with another(which is precisely what WF himself said would happen when his Hammer struck the Anvil)..? Yes, he needed the Hammer to be lit and the Crisis Anvil to be formed, but that is all still just an extension of HIS power.
i don't see him as multiversal for the sole reason that he can't just replace a multiverse whenever he wants, something a true multiversal power might be able to do. there needs to be a very explicit set of circumstances to enable him to achieve the feat. almost like the multiverse needs to be prepped for him to do it. and, minus being a universe-builder, that is his sole feat of any note (besides...stopping superman's punch and....slamming him to the ground....?) in this case--maybe all cases--he didn't supplant a multiverse at all, he was simply prepared to fill a void left behind by another one. he didn't even destroy the prime universe/multiverse or anything--mxy was responsible for that. since he was incapable of even existing in the prime, i see no reason to suppose he could even destroy the prime UNIVERSE at will. not sure how he can be truly multiversal if he doesn't even have dominion the prime UNIVERSE. i can hear the calls of pis already--i say it's a reflection of his station in the same way dealing with a crisis is a reflection.
As explained in Metal and JL: WF's primary function was indeed to populate the multiverse with an infinite amount of physical universes, which he did... Twice(once with the mainstream 3D multiverse, and again with his new and more evolved multiverse.) But that doesn't preclude the notion that he can act in a fully multiversal capacity when need be, which is something Franklin cannot do under any circumstances that I am aware of.
yep, agreed. he populates the multiverse with UNIVERSES. it is crystal clear that perpetua is the multiversal creator, not wf. he just creates universes within her design. create enough universes and what do you get? a multiverse. he does have the ability to anchor universes in a way current franklin couldn't--though kid frank had no problem doing so.... wf does create failed universes though, obviously, just that his failures sink into the dark for barbatos--who eventually defeated wf. (i recall all the cries of how disappointing barbatos's power was, but he still beat wf somehow.) all the failed UNIVERSES together populated the dark multiverse.
anyway, degree of control i'll grant you, but in terms of overall scope? both can create, shape and will into being universes. if certain conditions arise, wf can apparently replace a multiverse, but (slightly off-topic) i do wonder at the scope of what he was trying to do. was he going to replace the entire orrery of worlds? hypertime? he used both universe and multiverse in describing what he was going to do, so, i'm not sure. i find it hard to believe he would replace the entire orrery. what about the monitor? was he replacing the monitor sphere too? the 5th dimension? where do we stop and, given his inconsistent use of terminology, how do we make the decision?
Also, Franklin can only conceive of full-scale universes. He cannot bind/solidify them or anchor them to reality... Owen had to do that for him. WF obviously does not have the same limitation where universal creation is concerned, so either way he should be considerably above Franklin, imo. [/B]
he created the heroes reborn universe without trouble. considerably above frank? not imo. wf does have greater control of his power but i think if they met this would be a lot closer than most think. guess we just agree to disagree on this issue. 👆
i do wonder how people would have reacted to this thread if it were the monitor vs franklin...?