Originally posted by leonidasThat's what I say about h1.
just so we're clear--carv and i may APPEAR to be arguing the same general side of things, but i disavow all knowledge of him, his arguments and pretty well anything else i can disavow regarding anything he's said, is saying, or ever will say. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? Superman just flying was affecting entire structure of cosmos (every dimension. sixth dimension is infinitely bigger than fifth dimension which is infinitely bigger than fourth dimension which is infinitely bigger than 3D multiverse) and his punch destroyed an exact replica of 3D multiverse, yet Forger took it and got up. That's not a feat?How many of these kinds of punches Franklin has taken?
I'd say NONE.
Originally posted by carver9
He had to put things together to possibly destroy a multiverse. He created an Anvil and specialized his hammer to achieve a certain result. He doesnt just go into battle at multiversal level. Let's use Chaos King or Mxy as an example. These are 2 beings that could destroy universes on a whim. They dont have to build or put anything together to make these results happen. It's just part of them. WF, we cant say the same thing because going by what we saw, he need things in play to achieve said results.
So Tony needs to put armour on to go into battle on a herald level.
Richard Rider needs to put his helmet on.
Hal needs his ring.
Nico, her staff.
Zemo, his Moonstones for a herald battle.
So what?
Lol Jesus wept, Carver, if I didn't know you better I'd think you were trolling.
Originally posted by leonidasPerpetua created the first 3 blank dimensions of the multiverse. World Forger filled them with life/universes.
yep, agreed. he populates the multiverse with UNIVERSES. it is crystal clear that perpetua is the multiversal creator, not wf.
However, it would seem that when World Forger was creating his multiverse, he matched what Perpetua did and also created upper-dimensional space. Because again: it was such a perfect replica of the mainstream multiverse that WF was confident that not even the Judges of the Source would notice the switch.
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Perpetua was imprisoned almost immediately [comparatively speaking] by the Cosmic Judges. So basically, all of what you see in the DCU is a by-product of World Forger [including hypertime, which is part of Creation: https://i.imgur.com/9Pdd9RV.jpg]
@galan: i'm not so sure that has to be true and i wouldn't feel comfortable suggesting he matched perpetua's feat. he could just as easily have recreated the 3d part of dc's multiverse. nothing really to suggest he did otherwise. regardless of what he did or didn't do, he would still have accomplished the task one universe at a time.
we're just not going to reach agreement here. lol
Originally posted by leonidasWhat are you talking about? AM during the crisis on infinite earths was far beyond his normal power, And before this crisis, Monitor's power was fueled by main/positive multiverse and still just stalemate to AM
do you...even know how he gained power during the crisis on infinite earths.....?
Besides, He is a multiversal reshaping being was stated in encyclopedia, I just repeat it
https://i.imgur.com/9wJkryC.jpg
Or are you implying that AM wasn't a multiversal being before he absorbing and destroying positive universes?
Originally posted by leonidasPerpetua explicitly, when detailing their functions, says that World Forger will create all that is or will ever be, the Monitor will oversee the Universes that rise [i.e. from World Forger] into the World Orrery, while Anti-Monitor's function will be to guard the boundaries of all that's created.
@phil: well hypertime couldn't have existed without the creation of universes, so, not sure how it pertains exactly. hypertime seems more a by-product of the alternate, other universes, than a dimension unto itself. it's a vessel for reaching other places or times. /shrug
https://i.imgur.com/IFeNkD6.jpg
And we clearly see World Forger forges each possibility - i.e. hypertime [and created Barbatos as a pet that destroys the Universes he doesn't see fit]:
https://i.imgur.com/37WiXtj.jpg
You can even see both WF and Monitor being shocked to discover something that the World Forger didn't create.
And we clearly see World Forger says that he forges each possibility - i.e. hypertime [and created Barbatos as a pet that destroys the Universes he doesn't see fit]
i'm not arguing that he created the possibilities that make up hypertime (though that is a LOT of creating...). just that hypertime itself doesn't feel like a dimension of its own, but more of a means to REACH one of these possibilities. maybe as each was created he sort of created the chain that is hypertime, and the links that are each possible world?
i doubt very much snyder and the others looked at things this closely. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendgood point.
Seriously? Superman just flying was affecting entire structure of cosmos (every dimension. sixth dimension is infinitely bigger than fifth dimension which is infinitely bigger than fourth dimension which is infinitely bigger than 3D multiverse) and his punch destroyed an exact replica of 3D multiverse, yet Forger took it and got up. That's not a feat?How many of these kinds of punches Franklin has taken?
