Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilHow is someone who can only conceive of universes one at a time, but cannot bind or anchor them to reality without assistance, a multiversal power?
Franklin is solidly multiversal, WF isn't.
Granted Franklin has some great feats, but he's generally capped at universal.
There's really not much to "go over".
The only feat under Franklin's belt that could be misconstrued as "multiversal" is when he was implied to have created countless pocket realities during the Daydreamers mini. However, the caveats there were that he had to focus his power through Man-Thing to make it possible in the first place, and it was also stated that he couldn't make any of those creations truly 'real'.
Aside from that, he mostly just dabbles in creating individual pocket realities here and there... And like I mentioned earlier, it was explicitly confirmed [quite recently] that Franklin is still operating decisively within the universal tier:
So if there is more recent proof that he is generally portrayed as "solidly multiversal"(ie. affecting an infinite amount of full-scale universes simultaneously), I sure would like to see it. 🙂
I don't understand what the point of this thread is at this point, since it's obvious at the lowballest of lowaballs in the lowball land, Franklin still is just not as powerful.
It's like making a Superman vs Luke Cage thread, and then arguing whether or not Superman is a trillion or quintillion times stronger - the end result is still the same.
Originally posted by Philosophía
👆Perpetua was imprisoned almost immediately [comparatively speaking] by the Cosmic Judges. So basically, all of what you see in the DCU is a by-product of World Forger [including hypertime, which is part of Creation: https://i.imgur.com/9Pdd9RV.jpg]
spot on prediction
WF creating Hypertime certainly makes sense, as the alternative would have been Hypertime inextricably *poofing* itself into existence... And randomness like that doesn't seem to be what Morrison/Snyder are going for with current cosmology(which has a very distinct order to it.)
Definitely nice to have explicit/incontrovertible evidence that WF...and WF alone...created it, though. Good precog by Phil for sure. 👆
Originally posted by Stoic
Maybe we should wait an see how well he does against Apex Lex. Without a solid plan, WF and the entire Justice squad were going to be gutted according to Starman. But, what about the Shaper of Worlds? Is he multiversal as well?
WF is heavily weakened now. Plus, he's bound by a rule that says he can't directly interfere in the corporal world.
He reforged himself to get around that rule, but so far hasn't taken any direct action outside of advising and tech support.
Originally posted by cdtm
WF is heavily weakened now. Plus, he's bound by a rule that says he can't directly interfere in the corporal world.He reforged himself to get around that rule, but so far hasn't taken any direct action outside of advising and tech support.
So instead of waiting to see what he can do, which hasn't been much, people have placed him at the very top? He needs time.
Originally posted by Juntai
What the cinnamon toast **** did I just read.
What part? World Forger claimed Anti Monitor and hs are diminished by ths normal, third dimensional plane of existence. As opposed to the higher sixth dimension, which is the "control room" of the multiverse.
Which actually raises a lot of questions, like why isn't Mxy diminished by going from the 5th dimension to the 3rd?
Originally posted by Galan007
What he's saying is that World Forger's powers are "greatly diminished" right now, therefore any feats he preforms during this arc(regardless of how good or bad they might be) are still not indicative of what he can do at full power.
If this is directed towards me, I totally agree. I understood what cdtm meant, but we still have yet to see World Forger's full scope of power before being able to compare him to anything more than that which has been presented to us thus far.
Originally posted by cdtm
He literally forged the multiverse and hypertime. That's comparable to Lucifer Morningstar and Archangel Michael feats.
But the Shaper of Worlds does this as well. Has anyone seen him/World Forger alter reality? If so wth is taking him so long to put Luthor in a frigging jar? Not to be rude, but am I the only one seeing this? He really lacks feats and needs time.
